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Originally Posted by crutnacker
Personally, I'm amazed at how many people become expert contrarian scientists when it comes to this issue and evolution.
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I don't think I've made any statements about evolution but for the record evolution can be seen all around us all the time.
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Originally Posted by crutnacker
I personally don't understand scientific issues turned political and can find plenty of reasons to distrust the deniers (who often tend to listen far too much to conservative entertainers and/or trust in junk science provided by people with a vested interest in companies that will be hurt by global warming legislation).
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You mean like "big oil" for instance Shell , BP , Esso/Exxon, electric utilities and other energy segment companies?
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emai...&filename=.txt
seems like its not just a "deniers" that get their money from such corporations
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Originally Posted by crutnacker
It is an important issue to address and deal with, not one to bury your head in the sand and say "It's all a myth."
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Thats the crux actually isn't it. What to do about the possible effects. Cap and trade wont do anything as far as adaptation. All it does is enrich traders. It doesnt curb emissions which is what its being pushed as a solution for and doesnt do anything to, say .. protect low lying areas from flooding caused by sea level rise.
but then you have to know sea levels are rising/will continue to rise if you want to direct funds towards protection/offsetting the effects. Are they? at what rate? how much time do we have to figure out a good method? maybe more dikes? maybe get people to move out of those low areas?
the measurement of 3mm rise for the past year thats being reported is within the margin of error for the satellite data
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/.
how much of the "rising sea" level is caused by thermal expansion
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/200...GL028492.shtml
and how much is caused by continental rebound
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...t/292/5517/679
and to expect millimeter accuracy out of historic tidal gauges is not realistic as even modern ones have an accuracy of only about 1-1.5 cm
glaciers melting- what about the latest study i linked to earlier about Himalayan glaciers not showing the rapid melting that others have claimed.
dieing trees- Destructive invasive species are indeed a huge problem. More funding needs to go towards dealing with these issues from keeping them out to stopping them once they are here. the zebra and quagga mussel, Asian carp and beetle issues need more attention and a better plan.
water is going to be a problem warming or not because of population growth
(although even that is not certain
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57477520090805 ) so more work needs to be done to secure better water rights for all, to educate about conservation and towards better/more productive desalination.