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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
This is simply not supported by the facts. More, even if they never buy a retail game, if they buy from XBLA then they're still spending cash on games.
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Sorry but it is supported by the
facts. It's just not supported by surveys in which people do not wish to give their true motives.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
And no, it's not acceptable that a lot of people who did not mod their console get banned. Writing off customers is why big music has screwed itself. It can recover, games in the same situation? Wouldn't, the investment scales involved are too large.
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I've said all along that no one should be banned if they have done nothing wrong. I've said that I think MS should seek to improve the way they verify if an Xbox has been modded. However, to think that mistakes will never be made is simply not "pragmatic" and to base all decisions on the basis of ensuring that no innocent bystander gets improperly banned will result in no one being banned. Which will result in those with modded Xboxes continuing to cheat online and pissing off the rest of the legitimate Xbox live community.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
They're near-as identical. In both, there are large numbers of people who don't legitimately purchase everything they want to play/listen to, and a very small minority who don't purchase anything they want to play/listen to.
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So in one paragraph you are saying the situations are not the same because of the investment scales and in the next you are saying they are basically identical. hhhmmmm
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
Microsoft have, by their UK adverts, established a link. This is...their own choice, and they have to take the consequences for that. Note I consider this misguided and unfortunate on their part. Also, again, I'm sorry but you're simply showing ignorance of UK contract law.
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Ok, as soon as MS are found guilty of false advertising I await the judgement that all Xbox owners are then allowed free access to Xbox live without any requirement to abide by the terms and conditions.
Until that time we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
And there is a free tier of online service, if you hadn't noticed. Notably, XBLA is accessable from it and you can buy games from there.
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It may be free but there are still terms and conditions one must abide by in order to be allowed to use it. So again, until that judgement comes through we can agree to disagree on that one.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
Wiping accounts wipes *virtual* property. The psycology simply is that this will piss a lot less people off in a permermant sense, but it's actually a bigger short-term hit to their self esteem. More, it's not environmentally friendly to permerantly ban consoles (And yes, that is an issue for me).
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That is still a stick not a carrot. Didn't you say MS should be looking at carrots instead of sticks?
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
As to the "let it die"...which of the big music companies is innovating? Which of the big publishers? In games, the biggest publishers, EA and Activision, are some of the main drivers. It's not the same, and neither are the investment scales. The games industry can and is adapting, rather than standing still. The console platform holders are the only ones really standing still at this point, and Sony is at least trying (Nintendo basically don't give a shit, except on handheld, and Microsoft are as usual their own worst enemy).
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So now it's only if the big companies are innovating that things should be different? You didn't that mention originally.
Anyway, apple is innovating so there you go.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
Rubbishing survey results is all very well, but that was allready compensated for...you're simply finding excuses to avoid looking at the real issues. And yes, those pirates are going to slag off Microsoft instead, and offer to help mod other people's Xboxes.
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You know the old saying........there are lies, damn lies and statistics! Well surveys are just statistics. And here's an eye opener for you......people lie!!! Even to themselves!! I know, hard to believe. But people will almost always try to paint themselves in a better light than they truly are. If they can say they want to pirate software because they don't like being treated like a thief rather than because they want free stuff then they almost always will.
Anyway, we are going round in circles now so I'm done. Hopefully one day everyone with modded Xboxes who dearly desire to buy legitimate software and have no desire to cheat and only modded their Xbox so they could.......uumm, I don't know, change the colour of the dashboard or something like that..........will be allowed back onto Xbox live and can live happily ever after and those that modded them in order to play pirated software will not be allowed onto Live. Then everyone will be happy.
Cheers,
PKFFW