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Originally Posted by bjrnfrdnnd
Well,
I do think that actually what the guy did is far off from a muslim terrorist attack. And I do think that there are many muslim terrorist attacks. Just to show you that I will agree on _some_ of the things that you call muslim terrorist attacks (take 9/11), but not on others. It therefore doesn't mean that we have fundamentally different opinions. We do meet somewhere.
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he has certainly done more to harm the Muslim presence in the military than any other single action in the history of the United States.
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Originally Posted by HarryT
desertgrandma,
Until the man comes out of his coma and is able to be interrogated, any speculation as to his motives can be nothing more than speculation:
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while he may not be part of an organized terrorist group, his heart and sole praising Allah as he shot certainly left no room for speculation as to what his intentions were and where his loyalties lay
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Originally Posted by Verencat
I've been thinking about this thread a lot, and I got to say I'm fairly disappointed. Steve Jordan is informing us that he has found a nice way to bring confort to people he cares about. Good for him. Now, shouldn't we be inspired by him to find other ways to help and bring comfort to people we care about? Wouldn't it be the nice and fair thing to do right here, right now?
There is so little we can actually do to influence the situations and issues that have been discussed here, and there is so much good we can do for other people. We should never forget it, even if we feel the need to debate  |
I had meant to respond to Steve that I thought it was a superb idea, but by the time I was ready to respond, my good intentions had been smeared by some soldier hating and baiting
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
Actually, this is a bit of misreporting. He actually yelled "Admiral Ackbar"-- giving everyone warning that it was a trap.
IMHO, this mass shooting seems to be pretty much like most other mass shootings in the US-- lone gunman who is stressed out about his life, feels that he was alienated and mistreated by his cow orkers, decides that he wants to die and take some of the people that he blames for his problems with him, either as revenge or to "tell the world" about his perceived persecution. That he essentially "prayed" before he started shooting isn't necessary relevant-- most mass shooters in the US have been Christians or non-religious, and the Christian ones probably have done a bit of praying of their own before starting.
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are you trying to be funny with the "Admiral Ackbar" bit? if so, it is going over like a lead balloon.
no, this shooting does not seem like most of the other mass shootings. he wasn't mistreated or alienated by his coworkers. he was actually treated pretty damn well to be a 39 year old Major given that he was identified as "under performing". as desert grandma pointed out earlier, discharging him from the military in this day and age would smack of religious persecution, and as a Muslim?!!??? wow! not a good scene!
and this was, make no doubt about it, a religiously inspired attack. the last mass murderer we have had that was evenly remotely religiously motivated was McVeigh. short of shouting
PRAISE JESUS AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!!, I don't know how much more clear his motivations could have been.
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Originally Posted by eGeezer
Whether a soldier in the midst of a battle, or a kid away at summer camp, a care package from home is a little touch of "We care, and we will be here when you get home."
Why they are fighting is a separate issue from their being away from the familiar where, ultimately, they would still rather be -- no matter what their personal motivation for being "there".
Well said, Elf.
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at the beginning of this conflict I organized an "adopt-a-soldier" program at a Pagan (you know those folks who tend to be very anti-war and anti military?) website. different people adopted a soldier from my niece's Stryker Brigade. they sent all matter of goodies; creature comforts, goodies, books, music, anything they wanted to send, just nothing negative. this was a bunch of people who absolutely detest anything remotely resembling conflict yet they were delighted to step forward and support individual human beings that they cared about.