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Originally Posted by HansTWN
I never accused anyone of theft -- I just stated the obvious, that taking something that one has no right to take is theft. Unlike Moejoe , I never made any personal attacks.
And I have no idea where Moejoe gets his deep seated hatred of corporations, after all corporations are just groups of people, too. Including many regular employees, who all depend on their salaries for their livelihoods. In the end, such an attitude hurts everybody, because more and more people will depend on income from digital goods.
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Well, you did accused everyone using the darknet of theft, it wasn't personal, but it was an accusation...I don't approve of Moejoe way of saying thing, insulting people only make them defensive and doesn't help the discussion; but I have to aggre with some of his points.
It's true that corporation's employees depend on their salaries, but so did the street lamp-lighter or stagecoach drivers should we still pay for them?
I don't see why I should pay for the printing, transport, physical sell place, then transport back to where non-sold books are destroyed and the destruction itself when I buy an ebook. Sorry, there is no convincing me of "secret costs" as publishers here in France are trying to do for ebooks. Either I see the price drop either I'am being robbed...
Theft is bad, I agree on that, and if a download is not necessary a lost sell, part of them are, anything else is langage trick. But, Why always the one sided point of view? The bad pirates and the pooooor author? It's so tiring.
Why nobody is ever saying publishers have been robbing us for years and are hoping to keep on doing just so. For exemple, why do I pay public domain pbooks the same price as a new copyrighted pbooK? I never question the system before internet...
Why, if a new pback can be sold for less than 6$, should I feel happy to pay 10$ for the ebook version?
Again why should ebook buyers support the system that print them? Let the print-version buyers do that and it can be me sometimes when I buy a pbook.
Some authors/publishers realised that and they won a loyal pool of custumers that are happy to pay a fair price for what they like.
The success of itunes, proves that, given a fair (at least more fair) choice, people DO pay for what they enjoy. They are not stupid or utterly dishonnest despite what the publishers (and majors) seems to think, (which is hurtful) but, who likes to be robbed? I don't like it more then they do...
Then, here in France, Publishers are trying to make the ebook, not a version of a book, but a side product of it, allowing them to pay not 50% to the author but 25%...If this pass, an ebook is no longer a book and there is no copyright infringement from its download, is there...
Regional restrictions, high prices of ebook versions of new books prove that publishers do not see ebooks as books and they are trying all they can to force us to keep on reading pbook...They should go back to the origin of their job: editing book, helping author, choosing them. Publishing has to be separated especialy with those book-printers "on the demand" that are comming. Then the war they are fighting won't need to be anymore.
Sorry for this long post. Thank you for getting to the end of it
