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Originally Posted by dmikov
I actually saw quite the opposite, Mojo was listening to you for awhile and you weren't. He was listing facts and his interpretation of them to each of your points, you were just repeating your points over and over, causally diminishing him in the process. His side looked constructive yours "bible thomping" and name calling. Sorry, but that's how it looked from here. I am sure you meant it well.
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I know of only one fact that Moejoe listed....about a couple of big name gigs who have once, and once only, made their work available for whatever the audience wanted to pay. That doesn't really mean much. All other apparent facts listed are in reality nothing more than claims and therefore akin to opinion.
Other than that he/she has stated his opinion and I have stated mine. He/she completely ignored my points about film/tv as he/she simply finds it irrelavent since he/she has no interest in it. He/she only responded to them when I noted his/her complete lack of response. His/her response was both dismissive and rude.
As for repeating my points, I felt I had no choice since Moejoe repeatedly claimed I was arguing something I was clearly not. He/she did this in response to Tuna's comments as well and thus displays a pattern of behaviour that is not dictated by my responses or commets towards him/her but is an ingrained habit. It is very difficult to discuss an issue when the other person continually, intentionally(as I suspect) or otherwise, misrepresents your view. I admit I can see how this repitition may seem like bible thumping to others though.
As for name calling, Moejoe's obvious and transparent protestations aside, he intentionally changed my name as a way of being insulting. I merely replied that in my experience this kind of behaviour is the last resort of fools who can not discuss the issue at hand in a mature and rational way. Forgive me if I get a little testy, and reply in kind, when someone is being intentionally insulting and rude to me
Hope that clears it up.
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Originally Posted by dmikov
As for the topic at hand, free is a reality. I wouldn't have thought to see free software, but here it is. And legal or not you CAN find most of the books, movies and music for free. That's the reality. You will not see $400 spreadsheet software or word processor anymore. Soon you will not see $25 books anymore. No I don't know the future, but I know the odds.
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And here we get to the crux of the matter at last. I'm glad someone has finally had the fortitude to actually put it in black and white.
The consumer today can, quite easily, obtain materials such as film/tv, books, software and other digital media for free.
So, ergo, the prevailing attitude is simply "I can get it for free so the creator should just accept that his/her creative effort and time mean nothing and be thankful I am willing to pay anything at all."
It is a selfish and arrogant attitude borne out of the culture of extreme individualism that abounds today. At least in my opinion of course.
Cheers,
PKFFW