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Originally Posted by Laz116
Sorry but I'm not. Yes meat is more concentrated kcal-wise but that doesn't really mean anything in itself.
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Yes you are: (in condensed form), I said meat has a higher calorific value, The link you sent agreed, you said my satement was wrong. Because (Granted) meat uses a lot of grain to create that higher calorific value does not negate the fact.
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Originally Posted by Laz116
So what. We are also designed to reproduce. Some live a happier life not reproducing.
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Agreed, but this is a choice not a reason. The stement was made 'There is no reason to not be vegetarian' (or similar), I gave a reason - we are eveolved omnivores. Because people choose to not go with that does not negate the reason.
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Originally Posted by Sparrow
But doesn't this logic 'justify' all sorts of morally reprehensible behaviour?
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Depends on where you ground your morality, people who award animals a status similar to people, would see it a reprehensible behaviour ( e.g you wouldn't do it to another person, so why to animals?), people who see animals as animals and 'lower down' than people would not - therefore the endless debate on this particular topic.
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Originally Posted by Laz116
It's an interesting albeit rather radical point of view. Where do you set your limit. Is it okay for us to kill animals which are a nuisance? Is it okay to bash insects? Is it ok to kill rats so they don't "flood" our sewer systems?
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Yes,Yes,Yes - because we are higher in the chain than them. Why not - because they are/were alive? - so are/were vegetables.
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Originally Posted by Laz116
Yes meat is more concentrated kcal-wise but that doesn't really mean anything in itself.
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Agreed - since I have recently learned that it takes a lot of grain and water to create the meat in the first place.
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Originally Posted by disney_mommy
Nor do I understand what would posess someone to eat something that had parents, internal organs, instincts and feelings. Why not dogs and cats? Babies and small children?
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That fact that it had a face, parents, organs etc. Does not stop it from being food in my eyes. Cats - don't like, it's a bit too stringy, never tried dog (but there are a few place that eat both regularly), Babies have very little meat on them (it's all fat for protection), and it's illegal, and it's cannibalism. The fact that here (in the UK) it is illegal to eat horse (like they do in France) seems to be just a waste of a lot of good meat to me.
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Originally Posted by Laz116
And where do you see condemnation of people who eat meat?
It's usually the other way around, you know.
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Quite frequently, they look down their noses at me from their high pedastal or morality and exclaim 'How can you do such a thing?' or 'Are you aware you are eating the rotting carcass of an animal' trying to make me feel like a low life barbarian. My answers are usualy 'Because it's tasty' and 'Yes'. However, the reverse is also true meat eaters says things like 'Because they are made of meat' and 'I just don't get vergetarians' (both of these from me in this post), so here I am guilty as charged, but I don't try to take any moral high standing with my statements - it's just because I simply don't comprehend the mindset.