[kamm]

Originally Posted by Xenophon

Kamm:

I'll see your "10+ years real world professional experience of mine with all things Apple" and raise you a decade. Plus a Ph.D. (while we're tossing around semi-relevant credentials).

Can I get a short pause here, to laugh a good one?

Thanks.

Waving your fairly irrelevant PhD - the implication it could be even remotely relevant in a discussion about IT and everyday matter like battery life of Apple laptops clearly shows complete lack of knowledge - I have to admit I'm more than unimpressed by the level of US education below post-grad level (I went to university in Europe) so you might excuse me if I had to have a good laugh here...

My personal experience of "IT guys" is that most of them (but not all, by any means) "know" a lot of stuff about the Mac -- both hardware and software -- that just aren't so.

I guess it's time to define what this "IT guy" means here - especially for fairly funny supposed "PhD" holders.

FYI I'm not an "IT guy" and I really don't see how your largely negative empirical evidence of "IT guys' cluelessness" has any relevance in this topic... care to elaborate?

Meanwhile, the computing facilities guys at my university tell me

Ahh, I see - so you're told...

I guess the relevance of your (supposed) PhD is pretty much zero in this field you're trying to speak about with some percieved voice of authority - am I right your field is unrelated...?

that they'd be just as happy if all their users got Macs instead of PCs. They find that they get 10x fewer support issues per user from the Mac folks than from the PC folks. (And about 4x fewer from the various Linux folks than from the PC folks.) Of course, we're not exactly the most usual set of users (Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science -- in a 3-way tie for top program in the world) so your mileage may vary. But my experience, my extended family's experience, and the local "IT guys" experience seems to be quite different from yours.

Ahh I see - so on one hand you claim you are "not exactly the most usual set of users" but at the same time "they" (you gotta love these invisible voices of upper authority!) find that they get 10x fewer support issues per user from the Mac folks than from the PC folks. (And about 4x fewer from the various Linux folks than from the PC folks.)
Let's forget the hilarious notion of this whole claim - I bet these numbers you just pulled out of your bottom part gut let's pretend for a sec they are true.... just what are they saying?
That Mac folks simply give up...? Or that they don't use any advanced service?
Or perhaps that most of them - especially in a univ environment - BSD geeks...?

Your laims lack even the most basic background details ergo these - suspiciously standard Mac-fan-styled - talking points are meaningless on their own.

Anyone who works with even not-so-complex networks knows pretty well at this point that you hav no argument here - what's your network setup? What services you offer, what OSes you, errr "they" talking about when "they" claim thes enumbers? Wha's the size and quality of your sampling populus?

So, with all due respect, perhaps you should "get a clue."

Xenophon

I believe I proved beyond any doubt that you, Sir, have little right to talk to anyone about "having a clue" - si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, frater.

PS: nota bene it was a discussion about battery life, nothing else...