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Old 05-15-2009, 11:36 AM   #21
thibaulthalpern
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Originally Posted by ruskie View Post
All this green **** is annoying. The biggest problem is that people have this insistent urge to upgrade to latest and greatest all the time.

Take away incentives to do so and you solve the hyperproduction/hyperconsumption that plagues this world today.

And no going electronic isn't green. But being smart about what you want/need is. Considering the book publishing business with tons of book that then need to get recycled if not sold instead of not making that many initially is a waste.

The world needs to change from hyper to sustainable. And nobody says that sustainable needs to mean not being able to get the same things. Or that prices would increase and so on. [....]
I agree with many of your points but diverge from your idea that "nobody says that sustainable needs to mean not being able to get the same things."

I am saying, in fact, that sometimes being environmentally aware and friendly does mean not consuming in the way we have and as a result it does mean dropping away some of the things we might be used to. And in fact, change some of our behaviours entirely such as dropping some of those behaviours (which is certainly hard).

Let's say hypothetically I own a large R.V. (Recreation Vehicle) which is really a house on wheels. Now, this is really hypothetical because I don't even own a car. Bike, bus, and my own two feet are my modes of transport. So say I have a large R.V. and I take 6 long trips a year with my R.V. going to many different states. Along with my R.V. I tug along my speedboat and Jeep. The industry invents a hybrid R.V. cutting my fuel consumption to 30% less than it was before, going from 6 miles/gallon to 7.8 miles/gallon! Whoopeee!

Well...Hmm....actually maybe I should reconsider the kinds of trips I take and maybe, just maybe find a way to take fewer trips, and maybe even trips that doesn't involve the R.V., speedboat, and Jeep!

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