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These are both epub2 epubs with no page maps and no page section in the ncx.
There are no real page numbers indexed in either book. There are calibre mpagebreaks in at least one of them. So if they were based on real page numbers in a valid printed edition then you could create a real page map if you so desired.
But I think you are confusing real page numbering maps with e-reader/calibre generated fake page numbers. Many e-readers, calibre included, can generate "pages" based on fixed word or letter counts to help people see reading progress but that are not at all related to real page numbers in a published edition of the book.
I thought you somehow had either an ADE pagemap.xml, or an ncx page section or a nav pagelist (if it was an epub3) that specifies the exact page breaks that match a specific published printed edition. These are actually used for academic citations. But rare in general fiction.
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