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Originally Posted by SleepyBob
The torrented part is pretty damning. I think there's a reasonable argument in favor of them being able to use copyrighted works as fair use if they had legally obtained them.
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Legally as in an obtained licence. But any Publisher is really violating rights of the author to do that without the author's permission. Like if a publisher gets rights for a book, they can't produce an audio book, TV series, play, Cinema, sell prints & models of characters, produce a translation.
Considering what LLMs do, the idea of fair use even via a licence is obnoxious. Most authors I know would never agree. It's a "licence" to let the LLM users plagiarise. Really ANYTHING other than using PD works is violation of rights of ANY content creator, including bloggers and forum posts. A use that was never intended. They can't be forbidden from using PD content.