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Yes, I know - but again it is very hard to put the livid and complex world of Tolkien into a film. I was annoyed when I first watched the movie at this scene - because it makes much more sense (with Grima) to consider Theoden as a ruler who just listens to bad advice then to imagine him being under direct influence of Saruman (why would he need Grima then? He is not the type to settle for unneeded help (neither in the book nor in the movie...).
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Saruman needed Grima for two reasons: one, to provide him with information of the goings on in Theoden's court (he was, basically, a spy), and, more importantly, Grima influenced Theoden (in accordance with Saruman's will) through
constant brain washing and (probably, although not explicitly stated) use of drugs, which Saruman himself would not be capable of administering.
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Agreed. But the development Frodo takes is hard to follow in the film - it spans 6 books!
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Sure, but the whole scene was just silly. Not necessary at all.
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I understood that it was Liv Taylor who wanted this change?
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I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
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Agreed - not withstanding the problems to get back to Mordor from Osgiliath w/o delay and getting noticed.
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It's even sillier when you realize that the entire plan formed during the Council of Elrond hindered on two things:
secrecy and the (correctly) assumed notion that Sauron was
incapable of imagining anyone wanting to destroy the Ring rather than use it for themselves. So what does Jackson do? He puts Frodo with the Ring right on the border of the Enemy. And then Frodo flaunts the Ring to a Nazgul! What the hell?! Sauron had more than enough information at this point, to come to the correct conclusion about the enemy's plans.
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Still I believe that "as a film in its own rights" it is a nice one - I had fun watching the movies. It's not LOTR, but it is nice. And the CGI is astonishing.
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Oh I agree that the movies
look great. And there are some wonderful moments in them. But I doubt they'd all amount to more than an hour, at most, yet the whole debacle lasts 12 hours. The most annoying thing about it all is, that it really
could have been a great set of movies. Scenes like Gandalf's sacrifice in Moria prove that wonderful moments based on the book could be created on-screen by this team. They just chose to go in a different direction, which is a shame.