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Old 04-23-2009, 12:00 PM   #280
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No, originally your position was:
That's not my position, that's me feeling, and I painted a "Dan Brown" scenario as to how that might occur. Neither side has enough data to be "certain" of anything and probably won't until we get there.

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I refuted this by saying that 1 download does not equal one lost sale. I gave an example from the movie industry. Regardless of the example, judges in America have supported the fact that 1 download = 1 lost sale is a fallacy.
And I countered this by saying I wasn't arguing 1 download = 1 lost sale, I was arguing 1 ebook sale = 1 lost pbook sale, and more ebook sales = more piracy, so converting from pbook sales to ebook sales = lost sales.

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So, I found you a correlation with the same example between movie piracy and DVD sales/rentals.
For one movie, in an entirely different industry.

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I gave you reasons showing that if ebook piracy grows, that doesn't necessarily mean it will have a more harmful impact. No, no one can be 100% sure until it happens, but now everyone considering this argument has more reason to believe me than you. In fact, you yourself have more reason to believe me than you.
And I gave you reasons showing that if ebook piracy grows, it does necessarily mean it will have a more harmful impact. I'm unpersuaded by your reasons. Everyone else is free to believe as they want to.

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Now you're saying my examples don't mean anything?
I never said they don't mean anything; I said they're not persuasive. This is a discussion, not a debate.

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Even if my example was completely irrelevant, although you haven't given any reason why this is actually the case, then no one would know anything and you shouldn't be making blanket statements like:
That wasn't a statement of what *will* happen, but a statement of what I *believe* could happen. The fact you are more certain in your convictions that ebook piracy isn't a problem and I am not does not make you any more right. I find your examples unpersuasive; I find my reasoning much more likely.
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