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Old 05-15-2022, 08:00 PM   #65
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Originally Posted by ZodWallop View Post
Why is there room for hopepunk and noblebright, but not room for grimdark and darkgrim?

Even in the article linked to earlier, I still couldn't tell a difference between noblebright and hopepunk. The example used was Aragorn vs. Frodo and Sam. But those are different character viewpoints in the same book.

The terms are used for genres though.


Hopepunk/noblebright as genres would be like insisting all movies be called 2D movies to distinguish them from 3D movies.
After reading the Nobelbright page I’m not going to try and defend it anymore. The blog comes off way more as this author trying to make fetch happen rather than say grimdark which happened organically.

Hopepunk seems to me to be when the characters fight for good not just to overthrow a big bad, but because they believe people are inherently good.

It’s been a minute since I read LOTR (I want to do a reread) but my recollection is that Frodo is a reluctant hero. He’s doing the thing because circumstances have resulted in pushing him to do it. For it to be hopepunk he’d have to have sought out the quest rather than essentially falling into it. Likewise for Bilbo in The Hobbit.
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