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Old 04-04-2009, 10:37 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety View Post
I have been a victim of violent crime. I certainly didn't invite it to happen, unless someone wants to trot out the idea that lying in your own bed behind a locked door is an invitation to be assaulted. Not to certain how I should have been more "assertive" while I was fast asleep, but I did manage to survive, so I guess I did something right.
I don't know how much more explicitly I could have said it: I'm not saying crime victims are in any way responsible for being attacked--the aggressor and only the aggressor bears responsibility. I was responding to desertgrandma's suggestion of paranoia as a strategy for urban survival, and you seem to agree with me that it's not the way to go.

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The people who like to argue about social vs. individual responsibility will generally twist the facts of any event to try to make their point. A man who had his weapon legally for ten years becomes someone for whom it was "far too easy" to get a gun. A person who was probably mentally ill becomes a whole raft of criminals roaming the streets.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand you prove my point. You see HarryT say that this and other violent crimes might be "related" to lax gun laws, and the OP asking if the economy is a factor, and they become a whole raft of "people who like to argue about social vs. individual responsibility." Even the person making the strongest (and least informed) claim about the influence of gun laws,
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Originally Posted by Sweetpea
It's the fault of the immigrant and the lax gun laws. If this was a shooting purely out of frustration, had that person not been able to get a gun easily, I doubt it would have happened. He would have gone through a lot of trouble just to get a gun, preferably with a long cool-down period. By the time he had gotten the gun, he probably wouldn't feel the same anymore. Unless he'd gotten it from the black market, but then it's premeditated murder without a doubt...
was not absolving the perpetrator of one iota of guilt.

I agree with you that it's ridiculous to seek a legislative solution to the actions of a madman, but it's also clearly the case that ready access to an arsenal contributed to the body count and the economy was a stressor on the perpetrator.
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