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Originally Posted by desertgrandma
Ahem. Well, Harry, I don't know if you've been paying attention lately, but here, crime is out of control.
Prisons are full, judges are lenient, and the lawyers don't give a damn about the victims, only getting their dirtbag clients off and back on the streets.
When you are out and about, you'd best be watching your back. Not being vigilant is an invitation to be a victim.
We have become a society dependent on others to help us, rather than helping ourselves.
Justification? For gangbangers to continue being gangbangers, for dirtbags to continue being dirtbags.
For law abiding citizens, self protection.
Oh, Wait. You want us to call the police maybe?  Uh, yeah, IF they aren't on a nuisance call, and IF one is available, maybe they'll get to you in time.....but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
I have no qualms about taking the matter into my own hands.
No way could I defend myself with just my hands, and no way will I depend on calling upon someone who may or may not respond in time.
Taking guns away at this point really only guarantees that the criminals will have them. What, you think they're gonna follow the rules? |
It's a circle which you can't just break. People are carrying guns to "protect" themselves because the crooks have guns too. So, the croocks will get more/better guns which causes the average citizen to get more/better guns, etc.
It is really easy to ban guns, but that alone isn't enough. The penalties for carrying a gun or shooting a gun (with or without casualties) should be so terribly high (like what they are in the UK, apparently) that people will think twice about it.
Those that want a gun (generally with evil intend) will still be able to get it, true, but if (and they most likely will) they are caught, they shouldn't be let off the hook that easily...
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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety
Let's take the man in New York who killed those people the other day. Recent immigrant. Didn't speak-a-da-English too well, and thought that people were making fun of him because of that. Well .... so what .... that's supposed to be an excuse for murder?
In Harry's world view (as I take it from his posts), that immigrant didn't have any responsibility for his actions. Heavens no ... it's the fault of lax gun laws. No criminal should have to take responsibility for his crimes ... it's the fault of the people who make the laws.
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It's the fault of the immigrant
and the lax gun laws. If this was a shooting purely out of frustration, had that person not been able to get a gun easily, I doubt it would have happened. He would have gone through a lot of trouble just to get a gun, preferably with a long cool-down period. By the time he had gotten the gun, he probably wouldn't feel the same anymore. Unless he'd gotten it from the black market, but then it's premeditated murder without a doubt...