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Originally Posted by DNSB

An interesting assumption that the vaccination hesitancy in the USA is going to be matched elsewhere. Current numbers in Canada put vaccine hesittancy in the 20% range.

And you are following the pattern of the USA very closely. When the vaccine was not readily available, the ones (in the USA) claiming they would not get it were similar to your 20%. But then, after the vaccine became readily available, for some reason the number of people claiming that they wouldn't get it rose. Since right now, in Canada, you guys are having trouble getting the vaccine one would expect you to be at that 20% hesitancy point. But eventually you will have easy access to the vaccine. It will be interesting to see what your hesitancy numbers are then.

Yes, it would be a shame to have that 5-10% of the vaccinated who may still be susceptible to Covid-19 or a variant to not have the opportunity to be infected by a non-vaccinated person who has Covid-19.

And as I'm sure you know, catching covid after being vaccinated is a nothing-burger. Most don't even know they caught it. That's what the vaccine does. You may be in that 5% who still catch it. With the majority of those not even realizing that they have caught it. The goal of the vaccines is not to make sure you don't get an asymptomatic case, the goal is to make sure you don't get really sick and die.

If you can bring yourself to run the numbers, the risk for a vaccinated person being infected by a non-vaccinated person who has Covid-19 is quite a bit higher than the risk associated with the vaccines. The two vaccines with the highest risk of adverse side effects seem to be... blah, blah, blah

Was it not clear that I was talking about long term unknown effects? Not short term stuff like reactions and death? I stated that in the paragraph you quoted. I will state it more clearly now, "I think that the risk of long term effects of the vaccines - which is unknown - presents a potentially greater problem than the risk of a vaccinated person catching covid, since most vaccinated people who catch covid never even know they have it." If you prefer your opinion over mine, that's fine (and expected). But I still get to have my opinion, despite yours.

And yes, I have read quite a bit of the crap spewed by the anti-vaccination crowd.

They are spewing a ton of crap, aren't they? I agree. But they are correct on one point - we really don't know the long term effects. I personally was not swayed by the long term effects point. I got the vaccine. And for people who say "we don't know the long term effects" I often times respond jokingly and say, "Yeah, but we do know the long term effects of death." Despite joking around like that, I do acknowledge their concern as legitimate.