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Originally Posted by JSWolf
Then there are the books that don't indent the paragraph after some offset text. Again that just looks wrong because this is not a new scene.
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Are you talking after a blockquote?
Because there's a very valid difference between:
- blockquote + noindent next paragraph
- blockquote + indented next paragraph
The 1st is a continuation of the previous pre-blockquote paragraph. (Think very long quotation stuck in the middle of 1 large paragraph.)
The 2nd is telling you you're starting a new paragraph.
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Originally Posted by Quoth
Personally I think a space at opening dash and after closing dash would work like (brackets), but I've never seen it and so it looks odd. Usually em with no spaces or en with a space on both sides.
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The Quotation Dash?
It's used in various languages, like Spanish. It was discussed in detail in this topic:
2019: "No break space and alignment"
The actual Unicode character for that type should be:
― HORIZONTAL BAR (U+2015)
but its support in fonts/devices in ebooks is... dubious. So most people use the EM DASH instead. (Both look exactly the same, just may have extremely minor spacing/line-breaking differences.)
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Originally Posted by Quoth
There is no good reason for the rest of the world to adopt Webster's spellings and one particular set of USA punctuation rules.
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Sure there is. America best! All other 7.5+ billion people are wrong!!!
You don't like my Style Guide? (With all my unique little niggles and tweaks to it?) Get out of here and go back to where you came from!
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Originally Posted by AlanHK
I see incorrect dash/hyphens all the time in professionally published books now.
And almost every ebook.
The hot lead typesetters are turning in their graves....
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One relatively common one I run across is the:
"Three Em Dash"
It's typically used in a Bibliography when you have two+ citations in a row with the exact same author:
- Fitzhugh, George. Cannibals All! Or Slaves Without Masters. Richmond, VA: A. Morris Publisher, 1857.
- ———. Sociology for the South, Or the Failure of Free Society. Richmond, VA: A. Morris Publisher, 1854.
In many cases, the person accidentally only used 1 or 2 dashes (or heaven help you, a bunch of hyphens in a row).
(I just brought this up tangentially in a history book I worked on a few years ago. Discussing superscripts + footnotes + citations. See
Post #27: "superscript code".)
Side Note: In actuality, there are these two Unicode characters:
- U+2E3A ⸺ TWO-EM DASH
- U+2E3B ⸻ THREE-EM DASH
but support for these is pretty horrible. So easier to just use the correct number of normal EM DASH.
Note: The "Two Em Dash" would be used when text is redacted/missing:
- As Mrs. S—— told me in the police report: [...]
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Originally Posted by Turtle91
It is up to the author/publisher to determine which css they wish to use... that thread goes into greater detail about the pros/cons of margin vs. padding vs. asterisms for section breaks. |
That's the ultimate thread on scenebreaks.
I highly recommend everyone just go back and reread that topic from the beginning.
No need to rehash all the same arguments a year later in a completely unrelated thread.
(Although
as was discussed in that topic, I do agree with JSWolf with padding... IF you're only relying on spacing and nothing else for your scenebreaks [which is a very poor idea].)