[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by Muttly

Yes, I understand that it can happen, and accept that it's perfectly fair to speculate that it might have happened. What I have been objecting to is acting as if it is a fact.

Except no such thing has happened. What has happened is David and I pointing out "x" could have happened which would have an impact on "y" and cause result "z".

You made no mention of testing whatsoever until I suggested it would be unethical to sell products that you knew would not work as advertised.

Possibly because it was assumed that they were tested, at least initially, and possibly after. But again what passes Kobo's standard of acceptable battery life (again remembering the claim is 30min/day for 14days depending on a set of conditions etc etc legalese to have wiggle room on this claim) and what a consumer considers good battery life are not one in the same. Something you can find evidence of across devices covered in this forum, and others. No matter how a company advertises their battery life there are folks who complain thinking it's inaccurate or misleading etc.

I agree that there will be some small amount of degradation. It was your very strong suggestion that they would either refuse to charge or have lost 50% of their capacity that I objected to.

Emphasis mine, lets have a look at David's claim of that:

And, the have probably been sitting around long enough that they might have self discharged low enough to trigger the protection circuit to not let them charge.

I disagree. These have been off the market long enough that the battery life is likely to be half of the initial life. That is noticeable.

"Probably" and "likely" are hardly what I'd call "strong suggestion". Rather it's stating that there's a chance of one, and a probability of the other. Not a certainty of either.

For the record I also agree that if they have been stored at a very high temperature they will have lost a lot of capacity. That indeed, could happen. What I object to is your (and mglich's - who seems to be singing from exactly the same hymn sheet as yourself), continually posting as if this was likely (mglich seems to post as if it was a virtual certainty, but he's extremely hard to take seriously) to have happened.

I don't take anything for a certainty in regards to the battery life. You seem to keep having this same issue where any time anyone disagrees with you they are asserting something as stone cold fact. None of us work for Kobo, at least not in any capacity that would give us meaningful insight into the conditions in their warehouses or how the internal workings of those warehouses. What David and I have done, and again you have not yet done either through inability or unwillingness, is present a series of possibilities which would have an impact on battery life. Be it storage, length of time since manufacture, etc. and said that there's a chance (arguably a good chance) that the battery life of one of these KA1s has been noticeably negatively impacted. How much is certainly questionable, though I would certainly think David's initial assertion that expecting "as new" behavior would lead to some disappointment.

What do the pair of you imagine? That each of the warehouses in each of the territories where the Kobo is for sale has a very hot spot, and all the missing cases end up there?

Having been in warehouses and the shipping department of various stores, I can imagine that "very hot spot" is probably unlikely. However by that same token I know that companies have a tendency to keep run on the cheap with these places, relying on the greater space and other factors to maintain a comfortable enough working area.

I'd also point out that it's unlikely in the extreme that these KA1s were sitting out in the open since they're only now just being sold. As to the specifics of where they were kept none of us know, but given information we do have we can make educated guesses.