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Originally Posted by Muttly

That wasn't what I said. I was challenging your speculation. You have no idea how many have sold in each market.

I never claimed I did. I said remainder stock would indicate they did not sell as well as expected, which is yet another example of basic logic you're incapable of grasping so let me explain it. A company will seek to have as close to zero remainders as they can and still meet the demand in a case like this since supply is essentially infinite as long as Kobo wishes to foot the bill for ordering more KA1s. They will do this by using any market tools they have to judge demand for the product and act on those results. A greater than zero number post discontinued status indicates that the results of said judgment of demand were over what the market wanted since there are more devices left over.

Again, you are making wild assumptions and using faulty logic. Whether or not a product has been discontinued is irrelevant. What is important is how many are available - and you have no idea how many that is.

A product being discontinued would also indicate the company has tried to sell all the remaining stock of it as they can. Since any remaining unsold stock is a negative to their profits. Note, just because you seem to need things spelled out for you, a negative to their profits does not mean their net gain will be negative, it means their profits will be lesser than they could have been had they sold the product.


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The above reply is in response to my saying:

"It could just as easily be the case that people have bought them, checked them, and are completely happy with them, and hence have no need to report anything here.

It's a well known fact that people are many, many, times more likely to review/post about something that does not meet their expectations than something that does."

That has nothing to do with advertising. It was pointing out that people buying the devices and their working correctly was just as good an explanation for no posts about battery faults as your rather convoluted one.
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Actually no, it's in response to this (my initial response in bold your reply in italic:

3) Kobo isn’t advertising them, they’re on the sites for the markets they’re in but nothing is driving traffic to the product page. Which cuts down on buyers. I’d note that the fact that they’ve been available since the start of this year and I think this is the first post about that being the case would further show a lack of buyers from the forum.

Yet more weird and wonderful speculation.

But it's okay: "If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”. ― Carl Sandburg

I hate to burst your little bubble, but this is only one forum among many. Forums dealing with electronics, gadgets, batteries, consumer rights ... A complaint or query could have ended up on any of these. However, Google can't seem to find any. I wonder why?

Probably for all the reasons I outlined above, online forums, of any sort, are small representations of the greater market. They tend not to be very representational of those markets either because the users had to have something to drive them to create an account.

Not finding examples of an niche product (ereaders) for a niche discontinued product (the previous premium device from kobo) in niche groups (online forums), gosh I can not possibly imagine how this issue might have slipped past the, as you seem to see it, all mighty and all knowing internets!

Because only a complete and utter idiot does not test a new purchase of a piece of electronics. Even the best manufactures occasionally dispatch faulty products and you'd have to be a bit of a muppet to just leave something in its box while the warranty ran out.

It's hilarious you're calling me a muppet, while proving my point. So here since you're daft and need things spelled out in very plain text

Kobo finds KA1s in some storeroom in these markets

Kobo tests a few and they pass

Kobo sells the remainder, however a selection of these have faced battery
degradation, a selection possibly (and probably) greater than normal because of time elapsed and storage conditions

Some nutter finds Kobo is selling KA1s and thinks they have decided to manufacture new ones and that each and every device will be tested to arrive perfect to his door. This same daft nutter who has a history of technical issues with his own original KA1 which he was equally daft about getting resolved.

First you say that there are no reports of problems because people are keeping them in their box. Then you say that they don't value them. So someone buys something just to keep in a box in case their current instance fails, and they don't value it.

You really are getting desperate.

No, I'm giving a wider base of example situations, because the world isn't just black and white it's this whole spectrum of situations. But here let me break it down for the daft nutter

The people who buy them do value them, and thus wish to protect them and ensure they do not get broken.

The people who do not buy them (and in the KA1s case this will be a greater number comparatively in the market) do not value them and will not seek to buy them.

Both these groups can co-exist very easily. And that's not even getting into the granularity within those groups.

Again. This is not the only forum where people might go.

And I would always try and find information from the 'net before making a possibly pointless call to CS.

Again, online forums represent a small fraction the the market, whatever market it is. Nor are you representational of the greater user base (though I'm sure anyone working CS is pleased as punch they wont have to be the front line for your abrasive commentary)

Yet more wild speculation as you desperately make up scenarios to prove your case.

It's hardly wild speculation that corporations enjoy saving money, they're sort of in the business of making money and thus needlessly spending it runs counter to that goal.

Yeah, like deliberately selling a load of faulty products knowing that they are going to have to deal with the potential fallout of refunds/repairs/replacements, and bad publicity.

Unless they really do think that they are all going to be bought by people who are going to leave them in a box for a year and are too animal stupid to test them first.

They're likely hoping for a combination of people not noticing, or not caring that battery life isn't 100%. Not that they make any strong claims to the battery life as David pointed out, it's "weeks of reading*" *30mins a day, in ideal conditions blah blah blah. If it hits 14 days doing that, their claim is made. I'd go on with examples of people just charging their devices nightly as a force of habit with phones, but you'd probably get confused and think I was saying all people do all these things like some daft twit who doesn't grasp the basics of modular examples.

But really, apart from all this daft speculation (I freely admit I have no idea exactly what's going on, so I am merely countering speculation with possible alternative cases), why do you think that Kobo would knowingly sell a load of dodgy gear? Do they have form for such unethical practices?

Or are you assuming that you and the other poster who made a long case for the faulty battery scenario know more than Kobo's specialist engineers?

You've actually done little other than make baseless claims of any counter point to your initial belief to be "wild speculation" and call them all daft. You've not presented any sort of actual counter to them aside from dismissing them entirely which doesn't actually work as countering them. Especially when neither David nor I have made any wild speculation. We've made speculation based on the information (such as it is) at hand, and the knowledge which is freely available that we have both stated.

Is every single KA1 found in these batches going to be a dud, or have lesser battery life? Probably not, but there certainly exists enough data to say that there's a greater chance of it. These aren't fresh off the assembly line devices, they've been sitting somewhere for quite some time.

I can only hope your device is not plagued with issues so you return to your regular posting habits here.