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Originally Posted by Muttly

Where do you get the idea that I'm certain they are new?

I'm not; I have no idea. I accept that they could have been 'found' or newly made.

I did initially assume that they were starting manufacture again, but I agree it might not be the case. It's just that without any evidence I'm not 'sure'.

It was in your attitude. Everything you have said in the thread, including the question about insider knowledge, indicated your belief that they are newly manufactured devices.

I'll make a simple statement: Based on my observation of Kobo's behaviour, they will not start manufacturing any of their discontinued devices. If they decided to revive a product line, there would be changes in it (at the least the storage). And there would be a name change (at the least "Edition 2"). But, I am completely sure there will not be a Aura ONE like device any time soon. Buttons are the current fashion. When they go out of fashion, then something closer to the Aura ONE might appear. But, the screen size and lack of buttons will probably be the only similarity - different screen, storage, CPU, case, power button position.

Good heavens! You really do have a very poor opinion of Kobo if you believe that they are selling goods that may not have any chance of working.

Yes and no. I've expressing the pessimistic side and expressing the usual "buyer beware". I don't know what Kobo will do. If it was a salesman who found them, then they will be probably be sold unchecked. If it was an engineer, they will test some.

And Kobo's claim for the battery life of these devices is "weeks". Not some particular number of days or hours. To the marketing person involved in selling these again. if they last 30 minutes on fourteen days, that reaches the requirement.

Once again, you are presenting blind speculation as if it were fact. It would be very unethical of Kobo to sell readers in that condition.

No, I am expressing my understanding of how Li-Ion batteries work. It would be unethical if they tested none of the devices and sold them without any notice of the possible state. And it would be unethical if they didn't accept returns on them. But, if they open them all and test them all thoroughly, they also can't sell them as new. I assume they will have tested some and are happy with the condition. Whether the purchaser is also happy is another issue.

Also, since they have, apparently, been available since the beginning of they year, don't you think there might be the tiniest chance that someone would have reported on the matter if the batteries were significantly sub-standard?

I'm completely stunned by the first part of that statement: If these have been on sale since the beginning of the year, why are we talking about them now? Why haven't we been talking about them for the last six months?

And this statement prove McGlitch's point. If these devices have been on sale for six months, they can't be very popular or someone would have turned up before now to mention them. And I don't mean them reporting the device is crap, I mean someone coming here and saying "I bought a new Aura ONE". If anyone had made a comment remotely like that, we would have questioned it.

I didn't say they wouldn't notice. I said that they wouldn't have a problem. Anyone organised will have a recharging regime that will never let the battery approach a flat state.

Now that's some wild speculation. I know far to many very well organised people who suddenly have to run around trying to find a charger or cable for their phones or other devices. And .f course, that recharging regime might be, "on Sunday night ready for the work week". If they bought a device expecting it would cover their commute for the week between charges, but only got half way, then would have a problem.

So, "wouldn't have a problem" have a problem is an absurd claim based on "your personal speculation", not any hard facts.

Obviously.

The first thing I will do when I get mine will be to do a careful battery test.

I shall report back in due course.

We'll be interested to hear the result.

Anecdotal: I bought my ONE the moment they became available, around four years ago. It's been used for an average of two hours a day ever since.

At 10% lighting, WiFi off, it will go for 25-30 hours before reaching 30% indicated.

Have you actually tested this recently? I mean, done an actual check that it is lasting for as long as you think it is. Because honestly, if someone had made that claim with a brand new Aura ONE, I would have been questioning exactly how they achieved this. Kobo did initially claim 30 days battery life with the Aura ONE. That is at 30 minutes a day reading, low light level and now WiFi. Which works out to 15 hours. My experience was that the 15 hours was pretty close. I could believe 25-30 hours for the full battery when new, but not for 70% usage.