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Originally Posted by Elfwreck
I don't. I conclude he's sexist (mildly so, as I said) because of his "it was just in fun!" non-apology.
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But it *was* just in fun.
Ever tickle somone? Often the tickled people don't like it. But I don't accuse anyone who did it of being... well, ticklists, or whatnot, or even sexual predators because for some people tickling somone was stepping stone to more. If they say it was just in fun, no harm, no foul. Ever touch someone on the shoulder to get their attention? Some people take offense to that, too. But that doesn't make it assault if there wasn't malicious intent.
They don't, because society doesn't treat both sexes equally to start with.
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Originally Posted by Elfwreck
I'm against the notion that it's okay to grope people when they don't like it. Even when it was "just a joke."
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Now you're muddying the waters again by introducing the ill-defined word "okay" which has many different meanings in different contexts. Is it "okay" to touch anyone in any way when they don't like it? In one sense, no, in that they're not "okay" with it and are well within their right to tell the other person to stop. But that doesn't mean what the other person did was *not* "okay", in that social norms allow for such behavior and a reasonable person may have thought it was okay when instead it turned out the other party objected. It's not always not okay and therefore one should never do it.
So setting "okay" said, was it *sexist*? Again, it can't be sexist only if the person objects, but not if they don't; at least not in the sense of "if it's sexist then never do it." And it can't always be sexist. So whether or not it's sexist lies within the intent of the groper and the context in which the grope occured.
But now you say it's his non-apology that made it sexist, not the act itself, so I guess we can agree to disagree. But at least now we're disagreeing on a subjective interpretation of someone's character; not an objective determination of fact that a passing grope always equals sexist or wrong.