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Old 03-19-2009, 11:18 AM   #35
Elfwreck
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Originally Posted by sirbruce View Post
"Horseplay" is a commonly recognized reason for consent even when it's not explicit. People joke around. Not everyone so uptight, and I don't think a reasonable woman would feel threatened by such a grope in such a context.
You lack the anatomy, and the history, to decide what a "reasonable woman" would find threatening.

How many mild, friendly groping sessions have you participated in, wherein you wished to stop, and had to resort to yelling or violence to do so? How many did you let continue anyway, because you were afraid of violence if you stopped? If you polled a dozen of your male friends, how many have had that happen to them?

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The same thing that allows one to make "black jokes" or "white jokes" without automatically making someone a racist. Oh, but I suppose you don't believe that's possible in your PC-compliant universe, either.
I believe it's possible to make racist jokes without being a full-time racist. I don't believe that make the jokes themselves less racist.

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However, I think the constant charge of sexism against him is simply not supported. Hell, I wouldn't even claim Bill Clinton is sexist, although he certainly is a womanizer.
As I mentioned--you don't have the perspective necessary to decide who's "really" a sexist. It's because of opinions like yours that I have to give my daughters hour-long lectures before going to conventions--because a lot of men think "a little bit" of groping is harmless and therefore unobjectionable, and because of that support, the real creeps have a free pass to grope any number of women until they find one who's too scared or confused to object.
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