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Originally Posted by murraypaul
(Firstly, that isn't what I said, or anything like it, so please don't put fake quotes around it)
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Firstly, I didn't say you did say that, thus why it's not in a quote box for you merely in quotes because it'd be thing -said-. So settle down.
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No, we should do both.
It is good to try to make neighbourhoods safer.
In the meantime, it is good not to walk through bad neighbourhoods at night.
Both of these things are true, and ignoring that is nonsensical.
It is good to try to raise the standards of all drivers.
In the meantime, I'll practice what I was taught on defensive driving courses to reduce the chances that I have an accident caused by a bad driver. The accident wouldn't be my fault, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try to avoid it in the first place.
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Terrible analogy, the bad drivers aren't out looking to cause harm, they're just bad drivers. But even going along with that, no one says to people in accidents caused by others "Well you should have gotten farther away from that bad driver". Which is the crux of the overall debate here.