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Quoth · 01-13-2020, 03:45 PM

But the sellers of the gadgets potentially know of EVERY book you read, how much of it you read.

Imagine you are in USA, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, a rich Arab State, Iran, Turkey ...

Imagine you read books not from the ebook store you didn't buy a book from because it would be a problem.

I might get a problematic book from a friend, or buy it with cash on paper. If I thought it was a problem I'd not buy it online.

It's NOT about being 100% secure. People in general have no idea what is going on.

Imagine the State Agency, or the Vigilantes or the Big Corporation, or people getting the reading data think they know what you believe from what you read?

They THINK you are one or more of (pick combinations that work badly with countries above) and doing propaganda about it:
Christian, Moslem, Hindu, Atheist / Secular
Transvestite, Drag Act, Trans-person, non-binary, Gay, promiscuous, unmarried sex, under-age sex.
Pro-abortion, pro-choice, anti-abortion, having an abortion
Pro-drugs, growing weed, synthesising drugs, distilling alcohol, even brewing beer or wine can be illegal.
Making hand weapons
Making IED (anti personnel weapons)
Developing chemical, biological weapons, nerve toxins, poisons.
Planning to steal nuclear material and make a dirty bomb or real nuclear bomb
How to hack traffic lights, road signs, industrial controllers, electricity network.
Hacking mobile phone networks.

Now, you don't have to be an activist, or really any of these things. You might even be a journalist, author or curious.

Just reading the wrong books (even from Gutenberg) can be anything from blocking job prospects, to a fine, jail, lynched or executed:
Gay Propaganda in Russia.
Promoting Muslim, and sometimes other religions in China
Abortion, even if actually a miscarriage is a jail offence in many countries.
Even discussing unmarried sex.
Secular is illegal in Iran. You must be Muslim, Christian, Zoroaster, Jewish.
Most Muslim countries it's illegal to stop being a Muslim or marry a non-Muslim unless they become a Muslim.

The problem is that the secret all persuasive surveillance via things connected to the internet is done in the belief it improves ability to sell adverts. But the information is sold to anyone. State agencies and hackers get it.

People don't even realise their usage of store loyalty cards is sold on.

The USA and other countries made it a crime long ago before the Internet to pass on information about cheques (Checks). In many places this later applied to Debit cards. It doesn't apply to Credit cards or loyalty card point tracking.

Like Cromwell's Witchfinders, Salem Witch Trials, McCarthy's Hearings on un-American activities, Hitler, Stalin, STASI, GRU, Cultural Revolution and UK Prevent scheme, this surveillance doesn't seem to affect lots of people.

It's a world-wide moral cancer largely enabled by US big Tech companies, reluctance of USA to do consumer protection. It's taken advantage of by every big advertising agency, every repressive Government and by Western TLA agencies. See Snowden & Echelon. The biggest two Internet Advertising agencies are Google (Alphabet) and Facebook. That's all they exist for. Amazon, Apple and Microsoft mostly or entirely use the information internally. Oddly Microsoft seems most resistant to sharing it with the CIA.

The information is NOT anonymous. Some state agency can obtain Kobo logs that have a user with a fake ID and correlate IP and time/date to know who the user probably is. Also if you log into ANYTHING via ANY gadget.

No, you can't be 100% secure. Neither are the companies gathering the information. You can minimise your exposure in locations and for usage that could be misconstrued.

Sadly often it's the naive innocent users that get "caught". The expert evil actors KNOW what is happening. Though sometimes get pawned. Usually by the "maid" in the hotel swapping the phone or installing a root kit.

Just because you can't hide everything doesn't mean ignore it. Object.
That form: Is it gathering info the service has no right to? Is that government agency or shop ALREADY breaking the law?

A lot of this activity is already illegal. Let's not shrug and say there is nothing we can do.

01-13-2020, 03:45 PM	#22
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,447 Karma: 107078855 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	But the sellers of the gadgets potentially know of EVERY book you read, how much of it you read. Imagine you are in USA, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, a rich Arab State, Iran, Turkey ... Imagine you read books not from the ebook store you didn't buy a book from because it would be a problem. I might get a problematic book from a friend, or buy it with cash on paper. If I thought it was a problem I'd not buy it online. It's NOT about being 100% secure. People in general have no idea what is going on. Imagine the State Agency, or the Vigilantes or the Big Corporation, or people getting the reading data think they know what you believe from what you read? They THINK you are one or more of (pick combinations that work badly with countries above) and doing propaganda about it: Christian, Moslem, Hindu, Atheist / Secular Transvestite, Drag Act, Trans-person, non-binary, Gay, promiscuous, unmarried sex, under-age sex. Pro-abortion, pro-choice, anti-abortion, having an abortion Pro-drugs, growing weed, synthesising drugs, distilling alcohol, even brewing beer or wine can be illegal. Making hand weapons Making IED (anti personnel weapons) Developing chemical, biological weapons, nerve toxins, poisons. Planning to steal nuclear material and make a dirty bomb or real nuclear bomb How to hack traffic lights, road signs, industrial controllers, electricity network. Hacking mobile phone networks. Now, you don't have to be an activist, or really any of these things. You might even be a journalist, author or curious. Just reading the wrong books (even from Gutenberg) can be anything from blocking job prospects, to a fine, jail, lynched or executed: Gay Propaganda in Russia. Promoting Muslim, and sometimes other religions in China Abortion, even if actually a miscarriage is a jail offence in many countries. Even discussing unmarried sex. Secular is illegal in Iran. You must be Muslim, Christian, Zoroaster, Jewish. Most Muslim countries it's illegal to stop being a Muslim or marry a non-Muslim unless they become a Muslim. The problem is that the secret all persuasive surveillance via things connected to the internet is done in the belief it improves ability to sell adverts. But the information is sold to anyone. State agencies and hackers get it. People don't even realise their usage of store loyalty cards is sold on. The USA and other countries made it a crime long ago before the Internet to pass on information about cheques (Checks). In many places this later applied to Debit cards. It doesn't apply to Credit cards or loyalty card point tracking. Like Cromwell's Witchfinders, Salem Witch Trials, McCarthy's Hearings on un-American activities, Hitler, Stalin, STASI, GRU, Cultural Revolution and UK Prevent scheme, this surveillance doesn't seem to affect lots of people. It's a world-wide moral cancer largely enabled by US big Tech companies, reluctance of USA to do consumer protection. It's taken advantage of by every big advertising agency, every repressive Government and by Western TLA agencies. See Snowden & Echelon. The biggest two Internet Advertising agencies are Google (Alphabet) and Facebook. That's all they exist for. Amazon, Apple and Microsoft mostly or entirely use the information internally. Oddly Microsoft seems most resistant to sharing it with the CIA. The information is NOT anonymous. Some state agency can obtain Kobo logs that have a user with a fake ID and correlate IP and time/date to know who the user probably is. Also if you log into ANYTHING via ANY gadget. No, you can't be 100% secure. Neither are the companies gathering the information. You can minimise your exposure in locations and for usage that could be misconstrued. Sadly often it's the naive innocent users that get "caught". The expert evil actors KNOW what is happening. Though sometimes get pawned. Usually by the "maid" in the hotel swapping the phone or installing a root kit. Just because you can't hide everything doesn't mean ignore it. Object. That form: Is it gathering info the service has no right to? Is that government agency or shop ALREADY breaking the law? A lot of this activity is already illegal. Let's not shrug and say there is nothing we can do. Last edited by Quoth; 01-13-2020 at 03:48 PM.