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Old 12-12-2019, 09:55 AM   #7
John F
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To start, I was referring to books you own with no intent to distribute to others.
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It's not been tested apart from the attempt to take Google to court, which failed. ...
The Google case seems quite different to me than a personal use case.

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... Most printed books specifically forbid electronic storage in the Copyright terms. ...
Looking at the copyright statement of a couple of pbooks I own, I don't see any explicit/specific statements to electronic storage.

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... It's a media & format conversion of a physical hard to duplicate copy to an easy to copy electronic version. It's not a format shift like even a Kindle book with DRM to epub for your own use. ...
I believe you are allowed to format shift CDs to MP3s, Vinyl to MP3, Tape to MP3, ... so I'm not sure about physical to electronic. The "easy to copy" statement seems irrelevant to me, especially since we are talking about personal use.
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... What if Amazon abandon the Kindle? Or Adobe turns off the DRM servers like Amazon did for mobi with DRM. ...
I'm not sure what that has to do it? If your argument is format shifting for backup in that case, it seeems acceptable to format shift in case your house burns down and your books burn.
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It's not at all similar to ripping your own CDs to your own MP3/FLAC and never sharing them, though that is illegal in some countries and not others. ...
I'm not sure about CDs, but I believe it is legal to format shift Vinyl , Cassette, ... to electronic formats (in some countries).

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... Also the effort involved transferring a printed book to an ebook is such that the only reasonable motive is to share copies. This should ONLY be done if the book is in the public domain. ...
I believe that I've read of people on this sight scanning for personal use, which seems in conflict with of "... only reasonable motive is to share copies". It is their pbook, so they can do what they want with it (for personal use), similar to how people format shift ebooks.

And again, I'm talking about personal use, so can we dispense with the Google case.
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