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Old 11-24-2019, 06:11 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger View Post
But then, the word book means both, content and medium. Or rather content and physical object containing the medium
Yes, within the framework that an important final value of the book is its specific content. But really not all of the value: an important value intrinsic in "book" is the technical one - the ability to have them books (to finally produce them).
But the term 'book' is supposed to indicate "an object containing /some/ content", not just a separate content.

You are either using 'medium' in a sense different from mine, or I may understand that with 'ebook' you mean the file.
An ebook is a medium which may contain etexts.
I feel that to include the electronic file as a medium is borderline (and a very high abstraction of the "book", there where the quota leaves you with little air), for a few reasons such as that with a file (an "efile", oh my) even the creation of the medium is pretty abstract. Not to mention its aspect, the ability to visualize it. I have not thought about it thoroughly.

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It is so much easier now with ebooks that there is a clear distinction. If I want to read, it is usually a bad idea to pick up my wife's book, since it won't have my books on it. Plus, I don't have to share my book, because she can have a copy of the same book on her book.
There you clearly mean the "file". I would rather say that «she can have a copy of the same text on her book»...


Sorry Leebase, a very good one was raised, with this terminological investigation - checking brought me surprises.


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The confusion between medium and content in the use of 'book' comes from the fact that supports based in the vegetal realm had unchangeable content - "that book" meant "that text", and when somebody "wrote a book" they did actually produce a heap of "material", literally (curiously enough, more strongly than in painting - canvas were more easily reused). To refer to some book meant some specific text. But this is exactly what has changed with electronic support. After ebooks, the correlation between a support instance and specific text has vanished. This is why to confuse medium and content nowadays using the term 'book' is a superstition - times have changed but consolidated relations of ideas, no more valid, are sticky.

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