[Hitch]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

I'm not worried about Amazon, or the testing method. All I care is that "dual mobi" created by Calibre will work on all Kindles, when downloaded from Smashwords. Amazon does their own magic from the epubs and it's working on paid download from Amazon on PW3 and Kindle Keyboard.

Fonts are not the only problem with doc & docx upload to Amazon. You can actually embed fonts in an MS doc, though I forget if Amazon uses them.

No, it doesn't, which is why I said what I said. And to repeat what I said, to the best of my knowledge, the KK of that generation was one of the last of the KF7 Mobi devices.

Smashwords does for epubs. I wasn't aware that Smashwords use the Calibre API, certainly it's limited, if they do, by the fact that Smashwords don't accept docx, which works better than odt or doc for Calibre. Smashwords conversion from doc certainly doesn't create the same mobi and epub as I get from Calibre.

Well, Coker could have changed it, but AFAIK, they've used the Calibre API since time immemorial. Ask Kovid, he can speak to that. Surely you noticed that the output options are suspiciously familiar to any Calibre user, no? They've accepted doc since the very beginning. And you can upload ePUB there, too. In terms of eBook formatting, doc versus docx--if you're making an eBook that's so simple that it can be made from a word-processing file, rather than needing HTML to make it work--saving a docx down to doc should not be a problem.

So I upload epub2 to Amazon (LibreOffice Writer, edit in ODT, Save As docx of final version for Calibre).
I upload dual mobi, same epub2 as uploaded to Amazon and ms doc (Writer Save As) for Smashwords HTML preview, LRF and PDB.
Seemingly Smashwords doesn't create short samples from directly uploaded mobi and ebpub, only from doc and only for those formats if the format wasn't uploaded.

If you mean that SW is not processing your ePUB or MOBI to make your sample, yes, I think that's right. But I don't know SW very well--I do know Amazon's processes quite well. I'm frankly surprised to hear you can upload a MOBI to SW; I would have thought that was not doable.

The reason I stopped uploading ms doc or docx to Amazon was their advice to use mobi or epub, because their conversion stopped inserting page breaks. The same docx or doc imported to Kindle Creator on Win 7 (all freshly setup at their recommendation) does give page breaks. So eventually they gave up trying to figure it out and told me to upload mobi or epub from Calibre or Smashwords after they reviewed the ebooks in those formats from those sources!

AMAZON told you to upload a Calibre-built mobi? Well, that would be a first, since they have repeatedly and consistently told people not to use 3rd-party tools for forever. Tell you to upload an ePUB, yes--but a Calibre-built MOBI?

In terms of page breaks, as I don't know what you used to create those, I can't speak to it. I've seen KDP honor properly-inserted page breaks in MOBI, from docx files, for years now. How were you inserting those?

Kindle Create is a DIY tool for people that do NOT know how to use ePUB or HTML; it works off of Word's built-in Styles/CSS, that's all. Really, there's no good comparison between KC and ePUB or HTML formats. Night and day. Not to mention, a completely different end-result product.

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