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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

Side Note: Long story short, Footception is not a good layout. See discussion about this on the LaTeX Stack Exchange:

Footception? Really? You're killing me here. :-)

For book design/readability... it's almost always bad, bad, bad! And trying to hack this together in Word... atrocious, atrocious, atrocious!!!

Well...in print, it would be relatively simple; you could indent the sub-notes. Perhaps that's the answer here? Altho....thinking about the "how" of how you'd do that. (Maybe indented bulleted notes?)

Alcuin7 PMed me his DOCX, so I was able to take a look at it directly.

I stripped his DOCX down to a page and attached a sample DOCX:

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Note: ... and as expected, the numbering on his manually formatted "footnotes within footnotes" couldn't cope. ANY sort of adding/removing of footnotes is going to bamboozle the manual "level 2 footnotes".

We need Toxaris for this. I "know" that there's a huge issue surrounding Word's built-in x-refs, which is what you're talking about. The cross-referencing and indexing functions work in a way that's unique to Word, and you can't, for example, export it to another format and have it work in a different environment.

I forget now the "big experience" I had with this, but years ago, we struggled with a huge project that was a mess, over this very thing--that you couldn't just use the x-reffing capability, from point A to point B, product-wise. (like, Word to OO or whatever). I think it's that the x-reffing or index markers are done in a way that's not uniform or transportable. But honestly, Tex, I don't remember it that clearly and we should ask Tox. What he doesn't know about Word isn't worth knowing, in terms of the export to HTML. I'll go find him and ask him for some insight.

Note: I already explained this to Alcuin in PM, but these "invisible footnotes" are also an AWFUL solution for Search/Replace/Accessibility reasons.

Ah, good.

I see a similar issue with his Cross Reference links within Footnotes too. The DOCX lets you Ctrl+Click like this:



but Word HTML export + Calibre's DOCX->EPUB turns into a plain:



URLs within footnotes look to be working fine, it's just these cross-links that don't appear in the HTML.

And if you just export it to HTML, not using the Docx-->ePUB functionality in Calibre? Is it different, or no?

Yeah, I'm highly recommending against nested footnotes for all sorts of reasons... ESPECIALLY when using Word. It just isn't built to handle this situation. And hacking something together is only going to bring extreme pain and misery.

Better to rewrite your document to include only a single level of footnotes.

Yes.

Do they still not let the device manually override this?

As far as I know, the settings in the HTML still override pretty much everything. If the settings are not set, then the devices can override--but if you set align-left in the HTML, you force your choice on the reader.

It should be similar to something like Gitden Reader (or a Kobo). You have the Left + Justified buttons, but you also can just turn it OFF (Publisher Default)

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That would be nice. Of course, you could also end up allowing users to override specific formatting (like blockquotes) too, and that would suck.

User setting should override anything Left + Justified + without alignment set. And then shouldn't effect anything Center + Right aligned.

LOL, there are probably people who would say that's wrong, too. You know how it is.

This is a common enough issue in ebooks, I would have assumed all newer devices (ESPECIALLY Kindles) should have this functionality.

It's just absolutely baffling to me.

I have the latest Kindle, AFAIK, the KFire 10, and I don't think it can override, even though it does allow user-selected line-heights/spacing and body text alignment.

Off to find Toxaris....

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