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Old 09-17-2018, 12:05 PM   #7
haertig
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I respectfully disagree. Integrity/unethical behavior is not based on the environment you work in, however harsh that may be. There are plenty of rich people currently getting convicted of various stuff they intended to make themselves even richer. The work desks and chairs alone for these rich people probably cost more than my entire house. Their work environment is quite exquisite. But still, they have no integrity.

I also happen to believe that people's salaries should be based on how much the market is willing to pay for their services, not on how much they think they should be paid. Should someone with zero skills, education or potential make $15/hr flipping burgers when someone else who studied hard, earned a bachelors degree in biology, works for the state wildlife department, and barely makes that same $15? I say if the burger flipper wants a "living wage" for what they do, they might want to try learning the skills and start working at the level to do something that society is willing to pay them $15 to do. That sounds harsh, but for the most part, the "environment" that lower paid people work in is largely due to their own lack of efforts and skills. I don't mean to be dismissive, but pulling items off a shelf and putting them into a box at Amazon is not what I'd call highly skilled labor. Were it legal to hire them so young, a ten year old could do it. And unfortunately (for them), the low effort/low skill workers are finding that companies have discovered that a few simple machines can out work them for lower cost. So as the salaries for low skilled workers are pushed artificially higher in the name of "living wage", then the ultimate outcome of that will be no jobs at all for this new low skill/higher pay position because machines will have assumed that duty.

Enough off-topic discussion on this anyway. While it would be rare that we could convince each other to change our mindsets on this, at least (hopefully) we can still listen to others feelings about it respectfully.
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