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Kovid, thanks again for the reply.
As a test, I created a new VM and installed Centos-7 in it and ran yum update to make sure it was up to date.
installing 3.23 in that system seems to work fine, so something is weird on my main desktop system. but I have no clue how to figure it out.
I note that the installer says it is using python3, which seems strange, but is that what it should do? the system where it fails does have python3 installed (but not very many components). it has python3, python3-libs and python3-setuptools.
Any further thoughts will be welcome.
thanks again!
Fred
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