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Old 02-28-2018, 08:05 PM   #141
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Originally Posted by gmw View Post
My goodness. So if I harbour uncharitable thoughts about someone then that makes me morally responsible for the bad things that happen to them? Voodoo.

(Don't forget that it is your interpretation that there was an intent to push, not mine. I just see Irene rushing to Clare and placing her hand on Clare's arm. I think Clare's backward step is unrelated to Irene's intentions.)
Whoa. Irene did more than have "uncharitable thoughts"; she--at a minimum--made physical contact with Clare. Since that physical contact caused Clare to fall, Irene is morally responsible, regardless of her intentions.

And have you ever come up with a benign explanation for Irene's hand on Clare's arm?

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I agree that what actually happens to Irene is unimportant, but an accusation would have made what you propose (that Irene pushed Clare) more credible. The idea that Irene is able to push Clare out the window, but have no one notice anything even though they are watching them, seems quite incredible. Make that credible (have someone accuse her) and it becomes believable that it happened.
We're going in circles. No matter what happened, it was not apparent to the watchers--it's just as incredible that Clare could trip without anyone noticing, or that she could fall backward of her own accord (neat trick, that, to know she's positioned to go through the window without looking), as it is that Irene could push her without anyone knowing. It's not proof of anything.
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