[Tex2002ans]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Hmmm....dunno. I haven't tried that yet, to observe the result. It's an interesting experiment, though. I'll see if we have some space, in production this week, and ask one of my guys to try it.

This was way back in 2016, but I doubt much has changed on this front. Way back in the "Real Page Numbers" thread, me and Doitsu PMed each other and discussed it in some more detail.

He linked me to his EPUB3 of "The Madman by Kahlil Gibran" with EPUB3 page numbers:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=264508

The EPUB3 used this form of code:

<span epub:type="pagebreak" id="page7" title="7"></span>

+ a page-list in the nav.xhtml:

Spoiler:

    <nav id="pagelist" epub:type="page-list">
      <ol>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page7">7</a></li>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page8">8</a></li>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page9">9</a></li>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page10">10</a></li>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page11">11</a></li>
[...]
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page69">69</a></li>
        <li><a href="../Text/book.xhtml#page70">70</a></li>
      </ol>
    </nav>

Doitsu had noted this at the time:

Originally Posted by Doitsu

The downside of page number target references is that there aren't that many ePub apps that actually support real page numbers.
IMHO, this was best solved in iBooks and, AFAIK, the only free app that shows real page numbers is Azardi, however Azardi doesn't actually use the page list; it generates the page numbers from the page number target anchors.

This is how the page numbers displayed in iBooks on an iPhone 4:

Originally Posted by Notjohn

Will that epub3 pagination carry over to the "mobi" that KDP makes of it? If so, maybe it's time for me to leave epub2 behind, tee hee.

If you convert the EPUB->MOBI, this is what a physical Kindle looks like (note the "Page 11" in the bottom left corner):



Note: At least back in 2016, the "real page numbers" DO NOT SHOW UP in Kindle Previewer. Only showed on physical devices.

Side Note: Doitsu mentioned you can Go To "real page numbers" on Kindle:

Originally Posted by Doitsu

On Kindle touchscreen devices you can toggle the display between: location, page number, time left in chapter, time left in book and no indicator at all. (In my screenshot the location number is 22.)
Note that eInk Kindles will only display the first page number if a page contains two page breaks.

BTW, if a book contains "real page numbers," you can also enter a page number in the Go To dialog box. (In books without "real page numbers" no fake page numbers will displayed and the Go To Page option is disabled.)

Here is the picture he gave me of that:

Originally Posted by Notjohn

None of the ebooks I have had occasion to cite were equipped with page numbers.

I understood the problem here to be that of the academic writer citing book pages, not the author-publisher building a cite-able ebook.

I see them as intertwined problems. And the serious wrench occurs when the document is "born-digital" in the first place, and there ARE NO PAGE NUMBERS. Trying to force "pages" onto something like that is absurd and won't work, which is why you need to trend towards a more format-neutral citation method (chapters, subchapters).

And on the building side of things, inserting "real page numbers" is still a pain in the butt.

I discussed the three different pagination methods in detail below. EPUB2 has page-map [obsolete ADE-only] + pageList, and EPUB3 has page-list:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...02#post3404302

If you want some help generating the page anchors, there is Doitsu's helpful Sigil Plugin:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=265237