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Katsunami · 10-15-2017, 03:46 PM

Now that I'm thinking about it...

- All companies I've worked for were too small (5-25 people) to actually have an HR department beyond 1-2 part time people. "HR" basically were the people who made the contracts, made changes where needed, and sent the invoices to customers for work done.

- Each time I've not been hired after 2 or even 3 interviews were because of HR people or non-technical managers "not feeling the vibe" or some other sort of vague, catch-all statement. There are some things not allowed to be taken into account for hiring people in the Netherlands, for example...

* Living too far away, having to first move to go to work
* Having a physical handicap (assuming said handicap doesn't impair the work, obviously. Hiring someone in a wheelchair in construction work would be stupid, but that same person could easily be a helpdesk employee, for example.)
* Not having a car
* Race, Gender, Religion, Country of origin.... etc...

I'm sure that having a poor eye-sight and not having a car/driver's license is responsible for most, if not all, of my rejections. The rejection always comes after an HR-person or manager suddenly discovers this fact during the second or even third interview, and it seems to freak them out. The questions get extremely generic (even more so if they were generic to begin with) and sometimes even stupid. The conversation always drops like a stone at that point.

And then, "they're not feeling the vibe", because telling me "hiring someone without a car is too much of an inconvenience... you might have to visit a customer two or three times a year, you know..." is not allowed in the Netherlands.

As said: If a handicap impairs a job, it is allowed to reject someone as soon as he applies for it. If you're a car mechanic, but that particular job is in roadside assistance and you have to drive to customers to fix their broken car at 2AM, you're not going to be hired if you don't have a driver's license. Obviously. That's just common sense. On the other hand, if you're a car mechanic applying for a job in a garage, but are not allowed to drive anymore because since last year you're using some sort of medication that prohibits it, refusing you the job on that basis is forbidden... so a catch-all, generic reason such as "there's no click with the team" is given.

10-15-2017, 03:46 PM	#31099
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	Now that I'm thinking about it... - All companies I've worked for were too small (5-25 people) to actually have an HR department beyond 1-2 part time people. "HR" basically were the people who made the contracts, made changes where needed, and sent the invoices to customers for work done. - Each time I've not been hired after 2 or even 3 interviews were because of HR people or non-technical managers "not feeling the vibe" or some other sort of vague, catch-all statement. There are some things not allowed to be taken into account for hiring people in the Netherlands, for example... * Living too far away, having to first move to go to work * Having a physical handicap (assuming said handicap doesn't impair the work, obviously. Hiring someone in a wheelchair in construction work would be stupid, but that same person could easily be a helpdesk employee, for example.) * Not having a car * Race, Gender, Religion, Country of origin.... etc... I'm sure that having a poor eye-sight and not having a car/driver's license is responsible for most, if not all, of my rejections. The rejection always comes after an HR-person or manager suddenly discovers this fact during the second or even third interview, and it seems to freak them out. The questions get extremely generic (even more so if they were generic to begin with) and sometimes even stupid. The conversation always drops like a stone at that point. And then, "they're not feeling the vibe", because telling me "hiring someone without a car is too much of an inconvenience... you might have to visit a customer two or three times a year, you know..." is not allowed in the Netherlands. As said: If a handicap impairs a job, it is allowed to reject someone as soon as he applies for it. If you're a car mechanic, but that particular job is in roadside assistance and you have to drive to customers to fix their broken car at 2AM, you're not going to be hired if you don't have a driver's license. Obviously. That's just common sense. On the other hand, if you're a car mechanic applying for a job in a garage, but are not allowed to drive anymore because since last year you're using some sort of medication that prohibits it, refusing you the job on that basis is forbidden... so a catch-all, generic reason such as "there's no click with the team" is given. Last edited by Katsunami; 10-29-2017 at 06:31 AM.