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Old 07-17-2017, 02:54 PM   #30344
Katsunami
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Originally Posted by DMcCunney View Post
In the US, that quote is attributed to comedian George Carlin.
I love Carlin. Pity he's dead.

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A lot of that comes down to how you perceive the world.

We make a mental model of the world around us, based on what we perceive through our senses. But while we have a number (13, the last I looked, though some of those are concerned with our internal state), we generally have one that is our primary sense, and which that is affects how we perceive the world.

My primary sense is visual. I see patterns. In many cases, my "It won't work" response is because the pieces simply don't fit together in my model. I can usually reproduce the chain of thought embodied in that gestalt, but explaining it may depend on the primary senses of those I'm explaining it to.

My SO, for example, is extremely nearsighted, and needs prescription glasses to see anything a foot beyond her face. (I'm increasingly far sighted, and need reading glasses.) Her primary sense is hearing. When she asks a technical question, my impulse is to grab pencil and paper and draw a diagram, but that will convey nothing to her. I need to find a different metaphor to get across the concept.
Same; I'm extremely nearsighted as well.

My primary sense is hearing, but I am very visual with regard to thinking. I think in images and diagrams. If somebody says "I'm going to do X", I see a diagram 'in my head', in the same way I see a description of a written scene in my head as well. (That's why, sometimes, a movie based on a book can be extremely jarring to me, because stuff doesn't look like it's 'supposed to.')

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And they discover it the hard way. The question is whether anyone has gotten back to you after the fact and said "You were right."
Never. Worse, they keep making the same mistakes. In the past, people sometimes 'forgot' to ask me for my input because of it. Then later, when I discovered it (for example, while reading code), I had to go to them to tell them they had forgotten a few edge cases.

"It's you again?!"
- "Yeah. Something's not working. Open the (web)application on the target system. I'll show you."
*sigh*, *splutter*
- "Open it."
"OK, OK."
- "tap, tap, tap... enter..."
*CRASH*
"But it works on my computer!" *shows*
- "That's Windows. You need to take into account that the Linux file system is case sensitive. You also need to take into account that Linux uses / instead of \ to separate folders. And..."
*grumble.... grumble...*

If they had asked my input, I'd have advised to use (part of a) framework, or a library, that takes stuff like this into account, instead of writing in bare code. (If something like that exists; and mostly, it does.)

Some people, especially the ones younger than you, detest the fact that you actually KNOW shit, because you've seen it before, or because the education (mine) was Computer Science / Software Engineering, not "writing stuff in C# for 4 years."

Many programmers / software engineers I encounter nowadays are basically C# coders who don't know jack shit about computers or operating systems (or anything beyond C#, PHP, Java, and so on).

That isn't because they're stupid, but because many universities have scrapped it as 'not necessary anymore.' So, if these people end up writing embedded software (outside the realm of C#), they fail.

Instead of being annoyed with me, it would be better to learn from it. I've been around computers since 1990 (starting out on a 1982 XT, that was already 8 years old back then), so I grew up with writing bare code. I *know* about stuff like that, and how to avoid many pitfalls.

On the other hand, I sometimes need to do things on the web or in C#, but I don't know if there are libraries or stuff to help doing it, so I ask around before I start to write bare code. Even then, I sometimes do things that weren't necessary or could have been done better, and when someone points them out to me (because they've been writing in C# since college) I say:

"Thanks for saving me a bunch of work next time. I'll replace the functions with these libraries" instead of "It's you again?!".

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But those are where a lot of "Don't want to believe something" responses get triggered. There are any number of cases where I just keep my mouth shut, because opening it would require saying "Everything you think you know is wrong. The world simply doesn't work the way you assume, and never has."
LOL. Some weeks ago, there was a convention in the Netherlands, where hundreds of people turned up. It actually was on the news. Things that were discussed there:

- The world isn't round. It's flat.
- Elvis is still alive.
- Hitler lived up to at least 1975.
- The Titanic didn't sink and was in service until at least 1945.
- The earth warming up and sea levels rising is a hoax.
- And so on...

One of the guys there says that "95% of things we are taught are wrong, and are propagated by the elite."

In short, it's a convention of people who believe in conspiracies. While I'm skeptical enough and don't instantly believe anything I get told, these guys are over the top... such as, European leaders and the US starting wars in the Middle East to make people flee to Europe to replace the population here. What? On purpose? A planned wipe-out of the European pupulation? That's going a bit far.
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