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Old 08-01-2006, 01:36 PM   #10
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Location: Pernes. A small village in Portugal.
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Sorry for the delay, but i have been very busy at work updating images and text references. After spending the whole week doing this i really, really, didn't have the will to mess around with Indesign -_-''

Things are almost done so i will be making some more tries Wednesday or Thursday. I should have internet working this month so i will be able to post at home

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Originally Posted by ath
Layout -- can't say, since I don't have an iLiad to check against. No obvious complaints, though, apart from expected lack of manual adjustment (p. 259 is not nice ...) in a more-or-less auto-converted document. (well, perhaps ... see below)

Fonts -- I count 9 of them, and even duplicates of some? This suggests some kind of problem: there should be no need to have two Gentium, and two Gentium-Italics embedded.
Lol, i was showing one of my roommates how easy it was to change fonts to various text elements, and forgot to revert the changes i made

I will probably use two fonts, since i like to distinguish the Titles/subtitles/text, and having a serif, and a sans or egyptian font helps in that aspect.
Just one of my paginating quirks
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If you insist on using Gentium as text face, I think you could do without either Palatino or Georgia or Bookman -- there seems to be little reason to use them for so little. But the absence of a Gentium-Bold is embarrassing: I suspect it would be better to use a more complete typeface family.
I was looking for a free font family to use in my conversions (and to give with the template), and initially considered Vera, but the serif doesn't have italics, ad then i found gentium and didn't notice it didn't bring the bold variant

I’ll try the Lido in my next conversion to see how it works (yes it is complete... i think...)
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In general I've never had good luck with TT fonts in PDF -- it looks like there something wrong here, as well. Not sure what, but the Gentium italics look quite bad. Hope it looks better on the iLiad.
If Indesign shows the font then it works ok in the pdfs.
I actually like the true italic of the gentium. I don't remember if i embedded all the fonts, so maybe you are seeing another font on the pdf...
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I'd like to see a TOC, even if only as a set of bookmarks. Difficult to know what is inside the book otherwise.
I'll add a Toc to my next conversions.
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I'm not sure if it is a good idea to lock a text so hard to the iLiad ... it only means it won't look good anywhere else. The lack of bottom margin makes it difficult to read on PC screen ... lose the last line on the page, and it would
improve a bit for general reading ... but I also think the pages already are too short for sustained reading: there are too many page feeds.
I'm making this conversions to the Iliad, and if need be i would make them again.

Don't take this the wrong way but i just want to make files i like to read on the Iliad :|
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Normal asterisks are in the right positions for footnotes: they don't work very well as vertical ellipses, unless they're tweaked: I suggest dropping them a point or two until they are centered on the line, so as to avoid the uneven look. Easily done with a character style. (Match with hyphen or possibly bullet for vertical positioning.)
Didn't think about that, will add a style for the asterisks in the template.
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Horizontal ellipses (...) need to stay together (p. 7, l. -8): either use non-breaking space or thin space (which I think looks better). Gentium may even have a '...' that looks half-way decent
Another thing i'll take a look, shouldn’t be that hard to use thin space.
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p. 367 is weird -- should that table be on the next page?
Was messing around with the image and forgot to place her in the text again
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I think the font should be slightly smaller, for my taste, more like a book-size font (around 10pt, I think), which would avoid having so many pages. I don't mind the specific iLiad formatting, and since the icon space provides a decent lower margin. I agree with Ath that too many fonts is not too nice, if avoidable. Generally? Good job.
I could (and probably will) reduce to 11 points, but i "bought" the Iliad to read comfortably, and i read with the Iliad about 40cm away (my belly when i'm laying down). I don't think there is to little text per page, or that I change pages too quickly, in fact i have some printed books that have less text
If anyone would like me to try anything else in Indesign just let me know.

I'll finish my template and produce an how to of how to convert the baen rtf with 4 easy steps:
- Open template
- import text/image
- replace text styles of the document with template styles
- check fonts/errors

Later i will add a more detailed how to of various things i do to clean up the conversions.

Ex:
- delete <empty space>Begining of text
- delete End of text.<empty space>
- Delete extra “enters”, etc

End of section

Begin section


to

End section
* * *
Begin section



Just some quick steps, of how i do things in an orderly, and easy, way.


If anyone knows of a way to make Indesign find single lines in the beginning of a page it would be great (to deal "quickly" with orphans).
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