[davidfor]

Originally Posted by masterz87

I'd prefer it to do 1 if not specified.

Well, it doesn't. Kobo is using the default in the specs. Whether that is the correct thing can be argued.

I had previously _removed_ widows and orphans as it was seen as pointless.

Why? It was being discussed and hence I assumed it was in the book. Especially as your other posts included it. If I did not believe it was there, then the first thing I would have said was to add them.

And also the NST has an option that states "publisher defaults" and I'm pretty sure that that is the thing does the margins if you don't select it. On my NST I have the margins set to minimum. That's the whole shebang. It has 3 levels of margins I selected minmum and I imagine that that sets it to 1 line of text between the epub and the status bar.

publisher defaults setting seems to e the middle one that proably does 2 lines as it's the "default" setting for reading but i always do minimum margins as I see it as a waste.

Using "Publisher defaults" should mean the device respects more of the CSS in the book. Turning that off usually means the device will override a lot of these.

The Kobo reading settings work with the book a lot more than others. The margins effectively works as adding to whatever is in the book. But, it only does the sides and doesn't affect the top and bottom. The line-height works were it hasn't been set. The font size works as a base and relative font sizes set in the book work from this. If the font size in the book is absolute, then it won't be changes. Choosing a font overrides anything set in the book. For epubs, the justification mainly works on paragraphs and doesn't affect headings.

Plus ereaders are based upon how many page refreshes are done it makes sense to me to decrease them.

Well you can edit the config file and set the page refresh to a much higher number. I'm using 15 or 20 which I think is a bit high, but usually something else happens to cause a full refresh before I hit that number so it works OK.

And as I had said it's ~3-4 lines of text beteween the bottom of the text and the start of the status bar at the minimum.

NST the default setting has the space between last line of text and status bar as follows Default setting is ~2 lines. It has 3 options for margins(top,bottom,left, and right together). Minimum setting is 1, highest is 3. So it _is_ doing what's proper non-default setting reduced the blank lines as part of the standard since it was overridden by user configuration.

All that demonstrates is that the NST and Kobo's work differently. Different people designing the reading systems, interpreting the specs and making different decisions about what should be done. These choices mean that the same book will look different on the different devices. As they will look different on a Sony or any of the other ereaders out there. To achieve what you want on the Kobo devices you will need to:

- Set the widows and orphans to 1 in the appropriate parts of the CSS.
- Remove the @page or change it to set the margins to 0 or whatever you are comfortable with.
- Set the left and right margins on the main paragraph styles to 0 or remove them completely. The book designer should do this, but if you look at the code, it is obvious most have no idea what they are doing and a few think they know better.

Doing the above means you will maximize the text on the page. But still get formatting on the page that is important (scene breaks or formatting to show a letter or something ). With this, I have no wasted space at the bottom of the screen.