My sister has a Creative Zen USB 2.0, I think that's the product model, what a piece of crap, anyone who ventured would bad mouth creative and any non-ipod mp3 player to doomsday. I myself have a iRiver iHP-120, no video, but remarkable player, optical in and out, FM, voice recoder, multiple codec support, and my favorite feature, plug-n-play FAT32 mass storage driver. It seems iriver reduced the cost of their players, I think that's a huge mistake, at least the iPod has pricetag, exterior and solid frame that screams the implication of quality, not to mention the long standing hype Apple makes hardware of quality, by using SCSI(at least while SCSI mattered), Orinoco wifi hardware, beautiful monitors, probably 3com NICs and modens, etc...
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