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Originally Posted by BearMountainBooks
This is all entirely true. Every word of it. I was never arguing the truth of the matter.
Since you brought up interesting points, I'd like to add to your "You can only make one first impression."
You often have to make your own chances. That's going to mean mistakes and some bad efforts. That's just the breaks. The publishing world cannot train and/or edit every writer out there. Sending in a manuscript doesn't guarantee it will be read. Once slots are full everything is sent back as "no thanks" usually without any hint of whether it was read or just rejected. Even if there are a few comments, they can be mere hints.
Getting an agent doesn't mean getting published either. Writing, by its nature, means rewriting. Art of any kind is a learning experience. Some writers keep trying and get better. Some do this via editors. Some keep right on doing the same thing over and over without improving anything.
Thank God I live in a time where I've had a chance to try. The masses of published stuff (indie and otherwise) may not please readers. That's just the nature of the business. It's very similar to art and music in that respect.
I only made my earlier statement because the truth of all this is known and not every thread has to beat a dead horse. Also, I love Elizabeth Peters, but she has some bizarre works out there. And she definitely improved over time with her writing, especially when she found her niche. She was trad all the way (except possibly for one of her non-fiction Egyptology books. I'm not sure about that one.) Her growth and her collection of works is an inspiration to anyone who takes the time to study how her writing changed over the years.
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I think part of the problem with especially Indies is at least 50% think that they have the greatest story ever and they need no help whatsoever and no one is going to see it until it is published.
Over the last 5 years I have only met three authors that didn't need a second set of eyes. The other good indies all have editors and invest in their books.
Most that think they don't need an editor/proofreader really need one.
But then we have had this discussion before.