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Originally Posted by chrisridd
please give us an example of 2 books that you say sort incorrectly relative to each other.
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I never said anything of the sort. What I've been saying all along is that in the
comprehensive authors listing, authors are sorted in the crude way, according to their first names. In Marvin 2, you could choose to have "Ernest Hemingway" sorted according to "E", or according to "H" – just as you prefer. Marvin 3 has removed the sensible, smart, and
standard latter option, which I find unacceptable. Or, have you ever encountered a real-life encyclopedia where authors would be sorted based on their first names? Would you be looking for Shakespeare under "W" in an encyclopedia or, in fact, in
any standard alphabetic listing?
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Originally Posted by kguil
Author/author sort is honoured everywhere except in the authors list.
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Which is exactly the failure I'm objecting to, and that I find unacceptable. If Marvin 2 allowed for smart sorting of authors, so should Marvin 3.
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Originally Posted by kguil
And as I tried to explain to you - twice, with examples - during the beta (and failed miserably) it *is* for technical reasons.
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And I
also tried to explain to
you – and
more than twice, and not only during the most recent Beta cycle (and I failed miserably as well) – why those alleged "technical reasons" are imaginary. I have received no reply whatsoever from you, Kris, to my most recent, extremely detailed message on this subject, from a couple of weeks ago, where I asked you to state a specific scenario where a problem would occur if Marvin 3 offered the same authors sorting options as Marvin 2 does. You haven't replied to that message so far, and I'm convinced (until persuaded otherwise by specific and understandable examples given by you) that such a scenario doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by kguil
Do you honestly believe that I spent a year working on something and I'm just "refusing" to finish it off for kicks?
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Nope, I honestly believe that you are mistaken on this issue. Yep, you're the programmer here, and I'm not, but I'm a logician among other things, and I believe I'm seeing a logical flaw in your approach to this issue. And not just this year: as I mentioned, your approach to sorting issues has, in my opinion, been flawed in
all Marvin versions – Marvin 1 and Marvin 2 included. (The proof of that is the unnecessary doubling of sorting menu options, "Authors..." and "Author sort...", in Marvin 1 & Marvin 2; the "Author sort..." label has always been nonsensical.)
So my honest appraisal, Kris, is that you're simply "not getting it", and haven't been getting it since Marvin's inception. I hope that my saying this doesn't offend you, Kris; it's simply my sincere appraisal of the situation. None of us is perfect, each of us commits errors (certainly I do, every day), and each of us can unintentionally overlook certain things. It's perfectly possible that it's
me who's not "getting it" here; but you'd have to state some specific examples proving why it's me who's supposedly "not getting it". So far, you haven't – at least not understandably to me, and that's why I asked you to rephrase the supposedly problematic scenarios you talk about. I'm convinced that there are none.
Again, I must say that the root of this controversy goes back to your unfortunate decision to shut down a standard Beta-testing process, and favor isolated conversations between yourself and individual Beta-testers instead. I'm positive that if a standard discussion of this authors sorting issue had taken place among
all Beta-testers, we would have collectively arrived at a satisfactory solution a lot sooner, and definitely prior to the public Marvin 3 release.
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Originally Posted by kguil
when I have the time, I'll write a blog post to explain this in technical detail.
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Thank you, but I would much rather see you fix Marvin 3 instead of writing blog posts about why you won't fix it.
As mentioned: if Marvin 2 could sort authors in a smart and intelligent way, certainly Marvin 3 should do it. There's no way of justifying that it does
not do it.