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Originally Posted by bgalbrecht
You're saying that when it comes to labels, context doesn't matter. That may be true when the person using the label, and the recipients don't have context (i.e., knowledge about the original of the labels, who self-identifies with the labels, whether it's used primary by one side as a form of derision, and not used at all by the group tagged with the label), but when context is well known between the user and the recipients, all of that context is going to be used. As such, if I see a comment like "SJWs always lie", knowing the context that SJW was a label primarily attached to a group by another group as a form of derision, it's generally not used by the group referred to for self-identification, I'm going to draw the conclusion that the commenter is a hater. If the comment is somewhat neutral or positive, I'd maybe draw a different conclusion, for example based on other comments from that person.
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No. I am not saying that context doesn't matter. What I did say was that the element of the context that you were referring to is not relevant. I would suggest that it may be more productive to deal with posts on their merits instead of seeking to smear their authors as haters and their views not worthwhile on such a flimsy basis as their use of a label like SJW. eschwartz listed why in his previous post. Firstly, because even if the label does carry negative connotations, it does not follow that the person using it is a hater. And secondly, because even someone who hates may nevertheless have a good, rational basis for the views they express. The only cases where I feel it is justified to totally dismiss someones point of view because they are a hater is when it is very clear that their views stem only from that hate and lack any rational basis. A long bow indeed to draw from the use of a label as innocuous as SJW.