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Originally Posted by eschwartz
And I have already corrected your misapprehension about Amazon in my reply to JSWolf, but it bears repeating:
Amazon has offered to license out their DRM scheme. No one decided to take them up on that offer.
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Really? Could you cite a source for that? I find that fascinating. I'd love to research their terms. Having access to their DRM would be a huge boost to a competitor. I wonder why nobody's taken them up on it?
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Having it in for AmazonBooks because, through no fault of their own, you can only read the books-for-which-publishers-demand-DRM on one brand of devices, whereas KoboBooks can be read on two or three brands of devices, again through no fault of their own, is ridiculous.
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In your opinion. I choose to consider it as choosing the lesser of evils; as illustrated by my list. I prefer more choice as opposed to lesser choice. No DRM is the most choice. Hence my love for Baen, Tor, and folks who choose to put their works in Humble Bundles, for example. Amazon DRM is the least amount of choice at the current time. I really do hope you list that source. I'd like to learn more, and google is not my friend in this. (Try googling amazon licence drm and all you get is a ton of links on how to strip the DRM from Amazon content.)
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And you are assuming a "great device" will license Adobe DRM, rather than nothing at all. Or even (gasp) Amazon DRM! (I will concede that the odds are against Amazon DRM.)
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I dislike the realities of DRM in the e-book marketplace. However, as far as I can tell, it's not going anyplace right now. Hence, I consider it highly unlikely that a new e-reader competitor will not handle any DRM, and I consider it more likely that they will handle Adobe DRM rather then Kindle. (As you yourself mention.)
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Originally Posted by eschwartz
Myself, I don't consider Adobe DRM to be one iota better than Amazon DRM. In order for my books to be properly accessible, they cannot have an DRM at all, and at that point it doesn't really matter what DRM scheme, if any, a specific device uses.
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I'm not quite as hardline as you are. Once again, lesser of several evils. At least Adobe will licence to anyone. Really wondering as to why nobody wants Amazon's DRM if they're willing to part with it... (is it possible that they have a way to part with the DRM scheme without actually giving the licensee the capability to decrypt their books? I dunno, spitballing here. Source please!)
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What? I'm a customer, like any other. I reserve the right to expect certain things of a company I do business with. Amazon has not shown that they are willing to go as far to get my business as they will elsewhere because I'm not in a primary market. Well, guess what? Not good enough for me. I'm not saying I'd
buy a Voyage... it's
really pricy. But I would at least like the option.
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I am still wondering why the Canadian government has taken the better part of a year and still not approved it, after Amazon did everything necessary on your end.
You are acting as though there were anyone not aware that Amazon requested approval on Jan 2015, rather than in 2010.
Yes, we know Amazon waited 3 months after the successful US launch to jumpstart the approval for a Canada launch. We know Canada is of lesser priority to Amazon than the US. We know Amazon is entirely totally responsible for the Voyage not being available back in October, or even January.
The only point anyone (other than you, I guess) was trying to make is... if you are wondering why it still isn't available halfway through August of next year, it's because Amazon finished their patent application 8 months ago and still hasn't gotten an answer.
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You're kidding, right? You think a
patent application should be finished in eight months after starting the approvals process? Do a search. It generally takes
two to three years for an Office Action to be taken after a Request for Examination is filed, and an Office Action may not even be the last step in the process. If I can find that out in a search, you can be willing to bet that whatever legal expertise Amazon has for patent work knows it inside out, upside down and sideways.
There's a possible way around that. You can make a request for expedited prosecution. Can speed it up to a few months. Apparently, Amazon hasn't done that.
So in other words, if Amazon thought of the Canadian market as anything other then an afterthought, they should have at least filed for examination when they decided to launch in the US. Which would have been back in early 2014 sometime, most likely. Or, if they thought they really had something with haptic feedback, they could have filed anytime after July 2011. Given that
their US patent was approved back in February of 2013, I think I can deduce that they believed haptic feedback was worth something.
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Originally Posted by eschwartz
I think I know why you are so confused. You didn't read the article.
If you had read the article, you would know it wasn't from Michael at Goodereader, it was from Nathan at The Ebook Reader.
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Umnn...
this is the article I found on the subject. I wasn't going off of fjtorres' reply to me directly. I was on my tablet, remembered "amazon haptic patent canada" and googled it, finding the article I linked above. Just looked at Nathan's; largely the same. His is better written though; doesn't made Michael's mistake on the examination request.
The article still leaves the impression that CIPO should have approved the patent by now, which is completely outside the realm of standard process.
Edited to add one more thing: Since you brought it up, I'll go on the record as saying I'm really not a fan of iBooks either. On my list they'd be tied with Amazon. Least amount of choice.