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Jack Torrance · 10-16-2014, 12:52 AM

This seems to be a tough topic to say the least. As I'm sure most people never fully read (or attempt to read) or even partially understand most EULA, TOS or Amazons T&C, when they buy, rent, lease, licence E-books, music or videos.

Though I don't know it to be a fact, somewhere in the T&C when getting an ebook or using a Kindle, stripping the DRM is probably running afoul in Amazon's eyes. But they could probably ask for your first born in the standard EULA/TOS and people would just click right on past it. (There was a case where a company played an April fools joke and included giving away your immortal soul and 7500 people fell for it).

IMHO as large as this community is (225,000 users and fewer are probably active) Its probably a fraction of the number of people that own Ereaders and the DRM subject is probably a moot issue. They buy a Kindle and are content to just buy books for themselves from Amazon and move on.

My feelings are If I buy an Ebook its mine. Yes I know that's not Amazon/Apple/B&N thought --- Its a Lisc blah blah blah...

I should be able to easily move it from device to device, keep it for years in a collection to reread, Give it to a friend to read or resell it like I do a Pbook or just delete if that's my whim. I recall buying recently release books at the local store for 40% off list, reading them and then reselling them on Ebay for more than I paid for it.

Part of the issue is that you pay so close to the cost of the Pbook for a digital Ebook and really have nothing to show for it, and this holds true for a lot of media.

Look at the recent discussion regarding Itunes libraries reverting to Apple when you die, Is this not the same thing? Technically we don't own the books we buy according to Amazon. Is that fair or right? I think a lot of people don't think so, but click on past the EULA anyway.

I think some of it is just being greedy. You bought it and your the only one that can use it so there. (yes I know the family thing)

I understand the issue of one price one copy and that's the topic at hand, and if the publishers can come up with a way to allow me to do what I think is reasonable with something I purchased (see Above) but prevent me from ripping it to give to 10,000 of my closest internet friends without gouging me for it that's fine. Until they can figure a way to do that without making it a royal PITA on the users end, then Piracy and DRM stripping will flourish.

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Jack Torrance “Here’s Johnny Posts: 186 Karma: 3863056 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Overlook Hotel Colorado Device: Kindle DXG - 9.7 iPad - iPhone 12PM - Macbook Pro	This seems to be a tough topic to say the least. As I'm sure most people never fully read (or attempt to read) or even partially understand most EULA, TOS or Amazons T&C, when they buy, rent, lease, licence E-books, music or videos. Though I don't know it to be a fact, somewhere in the T&C when getting an ebook or using a Kindle, stripping the DRM is probably running afoul in Amazon's eyes. But they could probably ask for your first born in the standard EULA/TOS and people would just click right on past it. (There was a case where a company played an April fools joke and included giving away your immortal soul and 7500 people fell for it). IMHO as large as this community is (225,000 users and fewer are probably active) Its probably a fraction of the number of people that own Ereaders and the DRM subject is probably a moot issue. They buy a Kindle and are content to just buy books for themselves from Amazon and move on. My feelings are If I buy an Ebook its mine. Yes I know that's not Amazon/Apple/B&N thought --- Its a Lisc blah blah blah... I should be able to easily move it from device to device, keep it for years in a collection to reread, Give it to a friend to read or resell it like I do a Pbook or just delete if that's my whim. I recall buying recently release books at the local store for 40% off list, reading them and then reselling them on Ebay for more than I paid for it. Part of the issue is that you pay so close to the cost of the Pbook for a digital Ebook and really have nothing to show for it, and this holds true for a lot of media. Look at the recent discussion regarding Itunes libraries reverting to Apple when you die, Is this not the same thing? Technically we don't own the books we buy according to Amazon. Is that fair or right? I think a lot of people don't think so, but click on past the EULA anyway. I think some of it is just being greedy. You bought it and your the only one that can use it so there. (yes I know the family thing) I understand the issue of one price one copy and that's the topic at hand, and if the publishers can come up with a way to allow me to do what I think is reasonable with something I purchased (see Above) but prevent me from ripping it to give to 10,000 of my closest internet friends without gouging me for it that's fine. Until they can figure a way to do that without making it a royal PITA on the users end, then Piracy and DRM stripping will flourish.