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Originally Posted by SteveEisenberg
Their ruling will concern the bare minimum a company can get away with, whereas my post was about what a good company would do.
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May I ask, upon what are you adjudicating this? A "good company" versus the "bad company" that only does the bare minimum? Are you an Amazon employee, with a dog in the fight, so to speak? Do you own a corporation that selflessly employs a lot of people, for whom you pay wages, benefits, etc.? Are you a union rep or organizer? What's your background and expertise in labor, labor relations, P&L, etc., that forms, informs, and weights your opinion, for those of us reading it? Are you the Eisenberg with the PI practice, or...? Seriously?
What's your frame of reference, here? Everybody (who has any interest, for whatever reason) knows (boring) mine: nearly 3 decades in corporate America, for small, medium, and enormous corporations, and now I run my own small business. That's my frame of reference, both as employee, contractor, and now employer. I've been on all sides of the "payment" and "benefits" argument. ALL sides. You seem to take the "Amazon is Evil" side, so...what corporation do you think is a "good" corporation, in comparison?
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I agree. The three judge appeals panel ruled unanimously for the workers, and it could have ended right there.
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Yes, to have it resolved as you believe was "right."
I mean, let's posit this: a company moves to another building, in the same town. It's 30-45 miles away from where it was located previously. Should it now be paying for the additional employee time for commuting? If some of the employees now live closer than they did before, should they be paid LESS? What's "fair" here?
As I stated previously, NO company in its right mind would put up such draconian security measures, costing it money in 9 bajjilion ways (equipment, personnel, time, and the lawsuit) unless they needed it. The irony here is thick as old-style LA Smog. The employees, or some bad apples amongst them, have cost other employees time, effort, etc., because (obviously) they stole from Amazon and Amazon's customers. Now, those bad apples have caused their fellow honest employees to
suffer up to 25 minutes a day in lines, waiting for security. That's direct cause-->effect. Maybe some of the good apples even knew who was doing it, but didn't turn in their friends. More cause-->effect.
Near-direct comparison? Everyone here who's read my "honesty" rants knows that 3 years ago, I had to go to "pay upfront" for our services, because a few "bad apple" authors ruined it for everyone else. Not a mere few--not 2 or 3; MANY. I was ripped off for thousands one year, thought it was anomalous, was ripped off for
more the following year. Now,
everybody pays upfront. Should I have continued to sit there and take it, unto bankruptcy, or am I entitled to take business measures to prevent theft, keep my business running, which then allows me to pay my employees, who ALSO need the income from my company, so that they can pay THEIR bills? Sure, I could have been a "good guy" and cheerily run right into bankruptcy, which would have taken my employees with me. Now they'd be unemployed. But they're NOT. Because I took "security measures" to ensure that I was receiving what I paid for.
Amazon is not paying (the contract) employees to steal
from them. Nor is the interim, contract company. They are paying them to work. I, as an Amazon customer, have the right to not pay higher prices because Amazon has a loss column due to theft. Amazon has a right to their profits. The employee has a right to be paid, for an honest (HONEST) day's work. Not to sit there and steal. That the thieves ruined it for everyone else? Unfortunate, agreed. But hardly the fault of Amazon.
(And, last but not least: I speak to real, live, Amazonians--they all love their jobs, and their employer. Not customer service Amazonians; corporate ones. I haven't seen ANY turnover, of any person I've dealt with, in nearly 5 years, and that's a good number of people. I find it amazing that I have yet to have a SINGLE Amazonian tell me how horrible their employer is, but boy...outsiders sure think it's Dante's 15th Level of Hell!)
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