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Originally Posted by speakingtohe
Not quite getting the Ad Hominem argument. Whom was I personally attacking. Surely not all authors derivative or not? It is not them who are putting forth the arguments AFAIK.
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It was an attack on those who seek to decrease copyright extensions, implying that they wish to, in your words, "seek to benefit from using or obtaining at no cost, currently popular works."
This is insulting and posits an alternative reasoning behind your opponent that for one, would have no bearing the merits of any argument made here, and two, has no proof.
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Originally Posted by speakingtohe
Where did I say or imply that every single book uses anything?
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Your words, "It's not like
everybody is using Shakespeare or Dickens etc. as a springboard even though they can."
Note the word everybody. I bolded it. It's right there. You said it.
That is the very standard of success you made for the public domain. So before you accuse me of bringing up a random argument, perhaps you should read your own words, which I am taking great pains to quote directly so you cannot accuse me of misreading you.
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Originally Posted by speakingtohe
Quite the opposite in fact. Very few books among the millions heavily use Shakespeare, Dickens, Austin, or dozens of other writers from other time periods.
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But some do. And therein lies the benefit. As I've explained.
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And yes I can see the benefits to culture, but I don't see the serious harm to culture of them having to wait the legal time period unless the work that they were derived from ceases to exist or is n eminent danger of ceasing to exist.
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I don't believe that I have to prove there would be "serious harm to culture," your words, to justify lowering the age of copyright. The benefits are quite clear enough.
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Edit: Just curious as to what the big cultural advantageouses are for fan fiction? Nothing against it if it is author approved, but how has it improved the world at large or even your world significantly. You can change my mind you know 
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Writers have to start somewhere. Allowing anyone to pick up a pen and play with already created worlds and characters is a great way for people to start.
Not to mention that fan fiction can be great literature, in rare cases. But then again, isn't all "great literature" fairly rare anyhow? Anything to increase the chances of it occurring is worth it, I would say.
EDIT: I retract the initial ending of my post.