LOL @ Alex. You are correct though DTM, AvantGo got me interested but didn't offer enough for me to stay with it. The limitations became bothersome even for a newb like myself. I thank AvantGo wholeheartedly, for if it weren't for them I would've never found Plucker/SunriseXP. So, I'll give 'em some credit for setting me on the path that I should go.