View Single Post
Old 08-22-2013, 03:22 PM   #113
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,557
Karma: 93980341
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer View Post
So, would you agree then that if evidence were to show that an extremely heavy fine had no benefit over a small fine in stopping illegal downloading, there would be no reason to set an extremely heavy fine? I would take this position, as it is fundamentally just to impose only the penalty absolutely necessary and no more.
Unfortunately, given the fact that at present piracy is a virtually risk-free activity, we have no way of knowing what the effect of fines would be. I maintain, however, that a fine has to be a significant multiple of the price of the goods obtained in order to be a punishment.

Quote:
I have no interest in seeing people punished just because they get something for free, they should only be punished if they both: (i) get something for free; and (ii) getting that something for free causes a harm to someone else.
Getting something for free harms:

A) The seller, since a certain proportion of the people who illegally downloaded it (there's no way of knowing what that proportion is, but we can reasonably assume that it's non-zero) would otherwise have legally bought it.

B) The honest purchaser, who is effectively subsidising the freeloader.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote