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Old 03-04-2013, 01:52 AM   #127
KentE
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You almost had me until you used monetize.
Define Monetize: making money off of other peoples efforts.
I'd argue that the proper connotation of "monetize" in jalandar's post is to find a way to justify the effort and costs involved in a project by determining a method to at least make it pay for itself, and hopefully turn a profit. I’m certain that this is the way jalander intended the term.

Although the negative connotations of the term impact me as well, it’s worth reminding ourselves that few of the things we love about the internet would exist if someone didn’t find a way to “monetize” them. Amazon doesn’t provide books because they want you to have something to read; Google doesn’t provide a wonderful search engine and a pretty fine email program out of the goodness of their heart; etc.,etc.. It’s a nasty term for a fact of life—if you want something that costs the provider a real cost in terms of direct outlay (bandwidth, site hosting, rights, etc.) and indirect outlay (time), there’s got to be a way to pay for it. Even MobileRead has a need to ‘monetize’ the true cost of providing this forum by placing ads on forum pages. “Random acts of kindness” may not need to present any way to recoup costs, but they are random—I want something more reliable than that when I’m searching for books.

Without a doubt, there are Amazon affiliates that “game the system” that Amazon has set up to their own profit. I’ve seen a number of these sites, and I don’t go back to any of them, because I’m not looking for random freebies—I’m looking for something worth reading. I wish these sites didn't exist, and I'm all for Amazon finding a way to avoid making it profitable for them.
There are also Amazon Affiliates, both large and small, that I visit on a regular basis, and benefit from. Several are ebook blogs, at least 2 of which are run by MR members.
I certainly don’t find it objectionable that they get an affiliate percentage. Why not? I’m benefiting from the time they spend to ferret out both free and reduced-price bargains, from the fact that they’re frequently more knowledgeable than I am about certain genres and authors, and that they provide some type of “sifting” process to separate the wheat from the chaff. (If they didn’t provide more useful information than I could find on my own in a similar amount of time, I wouldn’t be on their site!) Their time and knowledge is worth something to me, and I prefer the method that Amazon pays for it, since Amazon ultimately profits from it. (The alternative would be either a subscription fee or a voluntary payment.) I don’t care what the precise formula is for rewarding them, as long as it enables them to continue work that I find beneficial! Amazon has decided that it should be a smaller percentage of everything I buy within a certain period. I’d prefer to see the affiliate system restructured. As many have mentioned, I don’t particularly see the logic in the ebook blog owner getting a payment from my lawnmower purchase—I’d rather see the media division isolated somewhat, and the affiliates get a bigger cut for media & media-related purchases. This change alone might get rid of the bulk of the ‘freebie-abuse’ websites that Amazon is probably trying to target by this change.

The cookie situation is certainly bizarre. Although I have no suggestion for a way to make it work, I actually think a long-term cookie for related purchases would make lots of sense. Recommend a free book to me: if I like it, and eventually go back and buy everything else the author has written, pay the affiliate a cut on all those books. This is exactly the business model that Amazon depends on to “monetize” (that nasty term again) giving away free ebooks (and authors or publishers depend on) so I don’t see any reason to object to the affiliate benefiting from that business model. (As a matter of fact, when I remember to do so, I’ll click thru an appreciated-affiliate’s link when I’m going to purchase a standard-price, not-mentioned ebook, as a painless way of saying “thanks” for pointing me towards interesting freebies that they didn’t profit from.) It’s also the business model that has been worked out long-term between libraries and publishers. My paper book shelves hold about 1000 titles, with the typical author represented by multiple titles. I can’t think of a single author offhand that has managed to occupy significant shelf space that I didn’t originally read for free (to me), or at a price reduced to the point that the risk was minimal.

I also benefit greatly from some of the bigger sites like EreaderIQ. I use them to notify me when a book on my wishlist drops in price (not necessarily to free), and I use them to find freebies or reduced-price books that I may be interested in. I know it’s possible to get all the same information from Amazon directly (except the price drop tracking, as far as I know), but it’s much more cumbersome. At least in my case, Amazon definitely benefits from this relationship, and so do I. I see no reason that the site operator shouldn’t benefit as well-- I'm pretty sure the site operator will find the costs of helping me objectionable if there isn't a way for them to benefit from it. Exactly what the formula is with Amazon to make sure there is a benefit to them doesn’t directly matter to me. Whether or not that formula makes it logical for the site owner to keep providing the service that I find beneficial to me does directly matter to me. It also indirectly matters to lots of MR readers who get a benefit when those discoveries by one MR member get shared to the rest of the MR community as “a random act of kindness”. (And yes, I’ve found some of the free books I’ve posted about on MR by visiting some of the blogs, and I appreciate being pointed to them, and I hope that you blog owners know that I appreciate it!)

It seems obvious to me (although obviously not so obvious to all here) that the quality blogs and websites are operating to the benefit of the business model that Amazon, publishers, and independent authors have developed. The ‘hammer’ policy change may get rid of some large abusers of the affiliate system, but it seems destined to damage a lot of the good affiliates as well. If you accept that the business model of Amazon (& publishers & authors) calls for giving away large quantities of free ebooks (and that they have decided that they ultimately profit by doing so), or selling ebooks at reduced prices, it seems apparent to me that the policy changes will do damage to that business model, or imply a shift in their business model. Either way, it seems apparent that it will damage my finding-affordable-quality-reading-material model.
For those who think this doesn’t affect them at all—I’ll bet that if you regularly frequent the “deals” forum here, or use any of the large sites (like EreaderIQ), it will ultimately affect you, because it affects the cost and rewards of generating that information somewhere upstream of your interaction point with it.
I fully agree that each of us has the right to block cookies, remove cookies, or bypass affiliate links in any way you want. I disagree completely with the thought that all affiliate links are somehow taking unfair advantage of the user. The most fair (and ethical) way of avoiding paying any affiliate for providing useful information to you, is to not use the information they’re providing, not by removing the affiliate information from a link. By using the information they’ve provided (in this case, a link to a reduced-price or free ebook), you’re already acknowledging that their effort was worth something to you-- even if it’s something you could find eventually without their help, you didn’t—you benefited from their time and expertise.

The cookie problem adds another bizarre twist. Some here find cookies valuable (as I do in my typical internet use), and don't want to clear them to avoid damage to an affiliate. I don't know a really painfree way to manage this, but I'm going to try to see if I can do so, because I do want to encourage "good affiliates" without hurting them.
Some don't want to accept cookies for any reason. I understand this, too. I think it's possible, though, to use an affiliate link (thereby crediting them for the original sale thru the affiliate tag), and decline cookies at the same time (thereby avoiding crediting them for any tag-on sales if you object to that), but I'm not positive of this. I feel pretty certain that the amount of information you give up to Amazon by accepting those cookies is considerably less than the amount you give up to Amazon during the purchase of anything you actually buy (or accept for free, or by checking a Kindle book out from the library), and that information is much more likely to be used for marketing purposes than the cookie is.
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