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Originally Posted by elcreative

Just to address one simple point, the half-baked and incorrect Tom Tom issue has led to 2 near accidents and damage to another car by driving across busy traffic to to a non-existent turn and the no entry has nearly resulted in two pedestrians being hit by cars being driven by people following the directions from their GPS systems but forget that because it isn't a desert so can't be serious... oh and this is despite the problems being first reported over ten years ago but I suppose as pioneers they can be held to a different standard for fixing things.

Do you have a link to a report on this TomTom issue? I'd like to read more on this.

And if this is all you can find regarding TomTom's system, then surely it is peanuts compared to the mountains of hilarious errors produced by Apple maps.

As for being pioneers, one certainly can understand there being glitches in something that comes first. Because it's never been done before. TomTom was not replacing an existing working system with one that was broken. Apple was. They thought they could do it better -- and maybe they ultimately will -- but right now it is a worse solution than the product they replaced. Not something a company that flaunts the slogan "it just works" should do.

Also, do you know that the new Apple maps are heavily (but not wholly) based on TomTom data? So if TomTom was indeed negligent and faulty, and this is well known, what does that say about Apple?

As for the efficiency of the route, well, you may know better but a simple route taking a few hundred yards without crossing a main road compared to a convoluted route involving crossing near-motorway level main roads, can be a major difference to those using it...

Of course. But this is not inherently dangerous. As are many of Apple's map errors. And, again, are Google's map errors as plentiful as Apple's? I doubt it. Never heard anyone complain about the overall quality of Google's maps.

Concerning the remark about juveniles and bigots, I accused nobody of being such things, just left it up to you to decide if or who it could apply to - you may say this but I couldn't possibly comment...

You didn't name names but you certainly directed your comment specifically at the thread's participants -- which is more than what the banned statement "many Apple fans are sheeple" did in previous threads.

As for being an arbiter of what's worthwhile, I must disagree with you... we are ALL arbiters of what's worthwhile (or otherwise), and that's what's worthwhile to ourselves... something may be worthwhile to you but that is of little relevance to someone else's idea of worthiness... you may disagree with my ideas of "worthy, fair or a load of !!**!!" but you cannot tell me that I'm not the arbiter of what is or isn't "worthy, fair or a load of !!**!!" because each and every one of us is the arbiter of such things for ourselves...

Well exactly. That's precisely what I said above -- "One man's "worthiness" is another's !!**!!ness." ... So since everyone has a different definition of worthiness and "!!**!!ness" one shouldn't go around preaching to others how they should define it.

--Pat