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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety
The interesting thing about "porn" or even "kiddie porn" is that both are really a bell curve. And each culture draws its distinctions at different points on that curve.
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Precisely. Among other things, the answer to "How old is old enough?" may change, and can be different in different regions within a country.
For example, in the 1950's, country singer Jerry Lee Lewis was a rising teen pop star, mentioned in the same conversation with Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper. Then the word got out that he'd married his thirteen year old cousin. That was both legal and accepted behavior in the area he came from. He found out the hard way the rest of the US did not share those perceptions, and his career came to a screeching halt.
In the late '60s and early 70's, it was legal to produce child pornography in Denmark, and legal to sell it in the US. Magazines like "Lolita Love" and "Piccolo" were prominent examples. (And scans from those old publications still float around the Internet.)
I don't believe Russia has laws specifically
prohibiting child pornography, so there a variety of subscription oriented websites hosted in Russia and the Ukraine featuring softcore nude photos of underage girls and boys. How long they last seems connected to how good they are about greasing the right palms.
And Japan used to have a thriving industry in publications sold on newsstands, devoted to photos of underage girls and boys, from preteen on up, both clothed and nude. The Japanese government made it illegal a few years back, but my impression was that their motivation was far more concern with what
other countries might think than with any with any inherent feeling it was wrong.
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Faces of young women supposedly having an orgasm?? Well, if it's just the face, and nothing else, in this country it probably wouldn't matter how suggestive the photo was ... if there was no (1) nudity, (2) depiction of the genitals, (3) depiction of the actual sex act, and (4) a clearly under the age of consent model ... then odds are it is not going to be treated as kiddie porn in this country. Somewhere else?? Possible, I suppose.
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As mentioned upthread, there is a website devoted of photos of the faces of people having orgasms. The "clearly under the age of consent model" gets thorny if the woman looks young enough, and most sites in that territory keep careful documentation and signed release forms on file.
The US is very much in an anti phase about anything that might be considered child pornography these days, regardless of how innocuous it is. There are an assortment of child model websites offering subscriptions to photo shoots. The kids are either fully dressed or in swimsuits, with no sexual content, but they get flak apparently because
someone out there might find the photos arousing. "It's porn because the perv down the street might get off on it!" seems to be the definition.
Someone in New York State noticed that people were posting kiddie porn images in unused Usenet binary newsgroups, and announced an investigation. The ISPs all promised cooperation. Some blocked the specific groups used, or stopped carrying the binary groups. Mine decided the simplest solution was to stop carrying newgroups entirely, of any kind. That didn't much affect me, because most newsgoups I read come from dedicated servers unconnected with Usenet or my ISP, and I only had to find a new source for one group dedicated to sysadmins, but that sort of action is annoying.
And there are occasional protests around here by people upset that Barnes and Noble carries work in the Photography section by Sally Mann, Jock Sturges, and David Hamilton.
I hope we get over that particular hysteria sooner rather than later.
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Dennis