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Old 07-19-2008, 10:40 AM   #177
Greg Anos
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Belief is an emotional thing, and as Heinlein commented, "An emotional argument permits no response". My curiousity here is why particular opinions got embedded as that sort of belief to begin with.
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I'll give it a go. (I did this strip-down analysis at age 14). Three base questions - 1. What is inanimate and what is animate? and 2. What is sentineal and what is non-sentineal? and 3. What are my privileges and responsibilities to each class.

If it not alive, it inanimate. I should have no concern about using, changing, shaping, molding, or even scrapping inanimate things. They don't feel, think or sense anything that occurs to them. They can be used anyway that need or expedience required. Misuse of inanimate items is a matter of inefficency, not immorality.

Animate (but not seniental) things are alive. I may breed them or kill them (when necessary), or even use them as tools, but I try do do so in a manner that is not cruel. To me, living beings deserve that. There is enough pain in the world without my cheerfully adding more, unneccessarily. (I'm not Paingod). Please note, I kill to live - all animals do - even Bambi. A plant is every bit as much alive as deer, and eating plants does not make you less of a killer of cells.

Finally, sentenial beings. Do I have the right to use self-aware beings like either inanimate or animate things? I came to the conclusion of No. If I want to have priviliges of being self-aware then I must grant the same priviliges to any other self aware beings. The most important of these is the right of choice. Without choice, you might as well be a tree. And using another sentineal being as a tool denies them choice. This is the main stumbling block of all political discourses. A large group say Yes, sentinial being can be used as tools. They think it is a matter of some form of superiority to be the a tool-user rather than a tool. But they see nothing wrong with using sentineal beings as tools, and are unconcerned about the results to the tools.

This is enough of a primer, i'll go into sentinal interactions another time.

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